Record of Event
Report of 1st visit to Juan Gonzalez
Where: Juan Gonzalez, primary school
When: Wed 16th March 2011 12.15
Who: Chela, Holly (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary), 35 adults, uncountable number of kids, + 2 puppies.
Purpose: To begin planning of the Rotary Global Grant 25397 project in this community.
We had an initial breakfast meeting at the house of Audelia (one of the young leaders) on the way. Then arrived to Juan Gonzalez at approx. 12.15.
We have had many meetings which representatives of the Juan Gonzalez community have attended.
This is the first meeting we have held in Juan Gonzalez.
Items
Introductions were made & then agenda for the day was proposed:
• Presentation of communities,
• Purpose of the meeting
• Report of previous Consejo meetings
• Organisation of work
• Meeting of the Consejo in Vivienda de Arriba
There was some discussion about the history of this community, Augustin Gonzalez (another community) & Juan Gonzalez were apparently brothers.
A record of attendance was taken.
Cinco Senores will have 11 cisterns + 1 pilot
San Lorenzo has 4
Juan Gonzalez will have 21 + 1 pilot.
Chela asked what the purpose of the meeting was
Answers were 1. To make work groups for the project, & to inform about the meeting in SMA with Lucy/Sapasma & Desarollo.
Audelia asked what else we want to talk about?
“I would like carificaton on how we will work & what the process is?”
Audelia read out the form which describes the process a little, they had signed the forms but some had forgotten the content, she also described her experience in the training days she had voluntarily attended at the Vivienda Urbana pilot, “the wire weaving was fun & they gave us a lot to eat there!”
Chela reiterated that this project is not just to obtain safe drinking water, but in the process of working in groups on this project everyone learns to organise & the benefits of working in group/co-operatively & it strengthens the community resolve & ties.
“I’m interested because we will have clean water to drink”
“because it’s from the rain & not contaminated”
Chela asked – contaminated with what?
“bacteria & fluoride” Chela – what are the symptoms of fluoride damage, “yellow teeth, pain in the bones”
Laura & Holly noted that the adult’s teeth appear to be fine but the children’s teeth are showing fluoride damage, so this generation has been affected already.
Chela asked who had kids with damaged teeth & sadly the majority raised their hands.
One woman said her Dr had told her it was because kids were drinking too much coke. Chela explained a little more of the symptoms & affect of high levels of fluoride on internal organs, pain in the bones, the other bad food & drink are also aggravating the problem, without doubt the junk food is doing damage. The food is cheap & easy, but has very detrimental affect on the health of the family/kids.
Removing/killing bacteria contaminants is easy (www.sodis.ch) but removing minerals/chemicals is not.
Someone mentioned Chloro as a purification method, Chela explained that in very small doses it can help kill bacteria, but that sodis is the preferred method as it is not harmful. But neither methods remove chemical or mineral contaminants.
Chela also explained that with the cisterns the water during the dry season can only be used for drinking & cooking, it is sacred & needs to be conserved. During the rainy season, if the cistern is refilling daily, they it can be used for other things, but as soon as the rains stop you must revert to drinking & cooking use only.
Information re what happened at the Presidencia meeting with the Consejo (citizens council)
8 people who were at today’s meeting were present, & they were asked who wants to report.
Antonia – 1st we went to ask for an appt, then we were given an appt for 4 of us to meet with Lucy & Desarollo Social (social development), next we attended a meeting on 23.2 in Cedecom, with Lucy & various departments (sapasma, ecology, desarollo social) as well as approx. 16 communities (of the 18)
Lucy invited us to discuss our issues.
Chela asked “what is the importance of this meeting @ Cedecom & why?”
“gave us a chance to inform the departments about our issues”
“is a good chance for us to work as a region on our common issues”
“when we finish our focus on water & resolve that, we can raise our next issues & approach appropriate dept, ecology, obras publicas etc & work on the next focus”
“the work we are doing is not just for water, we will keep working on the other issues, dry toilets, bridges etc”
“Toilets need water so we are working for sanitarios secos (dry toilets)”
Chela – we’re all here to work together on all of the issues, because you guys are all obliged to resolve your own issues – si or no? “si!”
In this manner, with the citizen’s council, you can work together as a region & by community.
“we have never had a meeting with the govt departments before, this was a big advantage to even know who they are & how we can approach them”
“It’s important that the Representatives report back to the communities they represent eg. Letty called a meeting the next day & reported back what happened at the Cedecom meeting to the Cinco Senores community”
Chela – it’s about taking responsibility for your own community development & together your regional development.
Chela asked Laura to describe what happened at the meeting with Dra Mejia (& Irma & Mayor Lucy & Jesus) re the issues in Tierra Blanca & fluoride in the region. Laura also mentioned the good news re the collaboration with Sapasma for the last 2.5 yrs, & the announcement that they would be funding water cisterns project for USD$35k, thanks also in part to Lucy for listening to our requests & asking Sapasma to include water cisterns in their budget.
Organisation of work groups for the Project
Since Cinco Senores & San Lorenzo are small communities we need to combine them (funded by Fondo Verde of the Ecology dept) with the project funded by the global grant in Juan Gonzalez.
Chela asked if the community wants to do the planning now or wait until the FV funds arrive?
“let’s do the planning now & have a brief mtg when the $$ arrive”
“can we do work in groups of 3 or 4?
No, better to have bigger group for level of work involved & get to know more people by working together co-operatively.
Chela asked What does Presta fuerza mean to you?
“I lend you my work & you lend me yours, ie we work together to achieve a bigger result”
The possibility of paying an abanile (expert mason) was discussed as there is a shortage of abaniles in this community.
Cinco Senores Groups (10 families + 1 pilot)*chapel was discussed but changed to JG School
2 groups.
Juan Gonzalez (21 families + pilot in one JG school) 3 groups
It was confirmed that there are 2 abaniles in each group.
It was mentioned that it is important for the groups to work with harmony & openness to achieve a good result.
San Lorenzo (4 family cisterns) very small group…
Audelia, Ana Maria, Esteban, Matilde
Next meeting 23/3 Regional Consejo meeting Vivienda de Arriba 11am
Next meeting in Juan Gonzalez to be announced once all the $$ arrive, Saul will communicate
Meeting concluded at 2.15 & then all ate lunch together.
Wednesday, March 16, 2011
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Port Lavaca RC Texax Joins The Team!
On 15th March, Skip & Carolina (President of the Port Lavaca Rotary Club & his wife), attended first the water information day presented by Sapasma in Parque Juarez, & then our San Miguel Midday RC meeting...
During the meeting Skip presented our club with a very generous direct grant donation of US$7,000 to support our Water Project.
This $7k along with another generous $2k direct grant donation from New Braumfels RC in Texas will go towards providing a total of 14 cisterns in the community of Tierra Blanca.
Another Rotary funded project is being carried out there (& in the community of Juan Gonzalez), together this will mean the community is able to construct a total of 42 cisterns in their community.
Muchisimas Gracias!!
During the meeting Skip presented our club with a very generous direct grant donation of US$7,000 to support our Water Project.
This $7k along with another generous $2k direct grant donation from New Braumfels RC in Texas will go towards providing a total of 14 cisterns in the community of Tierra Blanca.
Another Rotary funded project is being carried out there (& in the community of Juan Gonzalez), together this will mean the community is able to construct a total of 42 cisterns in their community.
Muchisimas Gracias!!
Sapasma Joins the Team!!
We are very happy to report - at the water information day by Sapasma (the local water authority) on the 15th March, (at which incidentally our San Miguel Midday Rotary President made a presentation) Sapasma made an announcement ... Their board has agreed to devote US$35,000 to match the Rotary Global Grant of $33,500, to begin a pilot project with the Water Project Team... Rotary, Cedesa & The communities!!
They propose to work with us to learn the model & methodology, & then their promoters (outreach workers) will take it to other communities!
So, with 53 more cisterns & 2 more communities served, we continue to work towards resolving this issue for all in need!!
3 cheers for Sapasma!!
For almost 3 years we have been working with Sapasma as well as other local authorities, Desarollo Social & the Ecology department, to collaborate & find a resolution to the safe drinking water issue...with huge thanks & kudos to the participants of the previous projects in the communities we have been working with, we now take this big step forward with the rural communities of San Miguel...
They propose to work with us to learn the model & methodology, & then their promoters (outreach workers) will take it to other communities!
So, with 53 more cisterns & 2 more communities served, we continue to work towards resolving this issue for all in need!!
3 cheers for Sapasma!!
For almost 3 years we have been working with Sapasma as well as other local authorities, Desarollo Social & the Ecology department, to collaborate & find a resolution to the safe drinking water issue...with huge thanks & kudos to the participants of the previous projects in the communities we have been working with, we now take this big step forward with the rural communities of San Miguel...
Thursday, March 10, 2011
Report of 7th Event Re Tierra Blanca
Where: Municipality offices, The mayor’s meeting room.
When: March 10th 2011 12.30-1.35pm
Who: Irma Rosado NGO co-ordinator, Lucy Nunez (Mayor of San Miguel), Dra Georgina Mejia Bocanegra (Sanataria 2 director), Jesus (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary).
Purpose: To discuss the issue of unusually high early mortality rate in Tierra Blanca, findings of the census carried out by Jesus with Cedesa & the community, with an aim to beginning a full epidemiological study in this community to ultimately resolve the high death rate from cancer occurring here for more than 30 years. (according to the community).
Background
Cedesa & Rotary have been working in this community with an aim to providing water, during community assemblies the issue of high death rate by cancer in this community was raised.
Cedesa subsequently carried out a census with the assistance of the community, to gather more data to determine a pattern. The census found that there was a high concentration of deaths 81% around a specific area of the community, thus indicating a potential environmental cause (as opposed to the previously thought genetic aspect).
With this information we would now like to illicit the assistance of experts in this field to potentially pinpoint the cause & ultimately (ideally) a solution to this major ongoing issue in this community.
Water has been mostly ruled out in these early stages, as 3 communities share the same water source & yet Tierra Blanca is the only community reporting this issue.
Cedesa & Rotary have reached out to Dra Mejia & the municipality & the meeting has been arranged.
Meeting begins
Jesus presented a powerpoint giving a background to this situation, ie that we were working on water projects re the fluoride & scarcity of water issue, & during this work, the community of Tierra Blanca reached out & asked for help with this issue.
Jesus mentioned our census, how it was carried out & the findings re the concentration of 81% of the deaths in one small area – which also happens to be an old burial ground. There was brief discussion about possibility of contamination by the bones of the burial ground, or the possibility that the burial ground was placed there because there was a problem existing even back then.
Dra Georgina presented death figures they had officially received, along with alleged cause of deaths pronouncements. It was mentioned that many people don’t seek official pronouncement re cause of death & that incorrect causes can be recorded.
Lucy agreed that this is a very important issue & we must work to find a resolution.
She suggested a full scientific study could be carried out if we approached Universities specialist in epidemiology in the USA, Dra mentioned Mexico has experts in this field & would be appropriate to contact them.
Jesus mentioned there is an antigens test which can be done as a pre-indicator of lung cancer.
The private hospital charge for this test in Mexico is $850 pesos.
There was discussion about the possibility of the mobile mammogram clinic being able to do these tests for the people in Tierra Blanca.
It was explained that in order to receive funding from a govt. budget for this there would need to be official supporting evidence of the need, (our census is unofficial).
In the meantime Dra Mejia offered mammograms & pap smears to all women in Tierra Blanca 12+ years of age. Completely unrelated to the lung cancer, but disease prevention in general.
Laura mentioned she had attempted to contact a Mexican expert in the field through her friend who is an epidemiologist but to no avail. Lucy said she would like that contact & will follow up.
(contact was since provided)
It was agreed that Dra Mejia would create a “packet” of information/stats etc to provide as support to request assistance from Epidemiologists, she would also identify potential epidemiologists to contact.
Fluoride:
The issue of fluoride contamination was discussed, ie that it is a very big problem but that we don’t currently have up to date statistics on the numbers of people affected, & the level of affect.
Jesus & Laura proposed that a study be carried out to determine the numbers of affected & with the aim to looking at resolution of this issue, mostly through prevention since there is no “cure”.
Dra Mejia agreed to devote 2 “robots” (dental vans) to the project, & asked for costs to cover the consumables in these vans (Rotary would attempt to assist with this, with international dentist connections through Rotary.
It would also be helpful to have volunteer dentists to assist with the info gathering process.
General point:
Laura mentioned during a meeting with IMTA in 2010 they had mentioned the foundation they work closely with in regards to water projects, Laura had contacted with no response, & Lucy volunteered to make contact to see if there was any option for funding for the water projects (with aim to prevent further fluorosis)
(contact information later provided to Lucy)
Action:
Jesus is to call Dra Mejia on Monday 14th March to find out the schedule of:-
• the Robot vans & when they can be made available
• mammograms & pap smears for eligible women in Tierra Blanca
Dra Mejia is to:
• create the “packet” of information with which to invite epidemiological assistance.
• Provide contact details of possible epidemiologists for Lucy to contact.
Laura is to provide contact details of Mexican epidemiologist expert + IMTA contact to Lucy to follow up. (done)
No next meeting date for these participants was made at this meeting.
Next meeting regarding Tierra Blanca, community assembly 30.3.11 11am. In Tierra Blanca
When: March 10th 2011 12.30-1.35pm
Who: Irma Rosado NGO co-ordinator, Lucy Nunez (Mayor of San Miguel), Dra Georgina Mejia Bocanegra (Sanataria 2 director), Jesus (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary).
Purpose: To discuss the issue of unusually high early mortality rate in Tierra Blanca, findings of the census carried out by Jesus with Cedesa & the community, with an aim to beginning a full epidemiological study in this community to ultimately resolve the high death rate from cancer occurring here for more than 30 years. (according to the community).
Background
Cedesa & Rotary have been working in this community with an aim to providing water, during community assemblies the issue of high death rate by cancer in this community was raised.
Cedesa subsequently carried out a census with the assistance of the community, to gather more data to determine a pattern. The census found that there was a high concentration of deaths 81% around a specific area of the community, thus indicating a potential environmental cause (as opposed to the previously thought genetic aspect).
With this information we would now like to illicit the assistance of experts in this field to potentially pinpoint the cause & ultimately (ideally) a solution to this major ongoing issue in this community.
Water has been mostly ruled out in these early stages, as 3 communities share the same water source & yet Tierra Blanca is the only community reporting this issue.
Cedesa & Rotary have reached out to Dra Mejia & the municipality & the meeting has been arranged.
Meeting begins
Jesus presented a powerpoint giving a background to this situation, ie that we were working on water projects re the fluoride & scarcity of water issue, & during this work, the community of Tierra Blanca reached out & asked for help with this issue.
Jesus mentioned our census, how it was carried out & the findings re the concentration of 81% of the deaths in one small area – which also happens to be an old burial ground. There was brief discussion about possibility of contamination by the bones of the burial ground, or the possibility that the burial ground was placed there because there was a problem existing even back then.
Dra Georgina presented death figures they had officially received, along with alleged cause of deaths pronouncements. It was mentioned that many people don’t seek official pronouncement re cause of death & that incorrect causes can be recorded.
Lucy agreed that this is a very important issue & we must work to find a resolution.
She suggested a full scientific study could be carried out if we approached Universities specialist in epidemiology in the USA, Dra mentioned Mexico has experts in this field & would be appropriate to contact them.
Jesus mentioned there is an antigens test which can be done as a pre-indicator of lung cancer.
The private hospital charge for this test in Mexico is $850 pesos.
There was discussion about the possibility of the mobile mammogram clinic being able to do these tests for the people in Tierra Blanca.
It was explained that in order to receive funding from a govt. budget for this there would need to be official supporting evidence of the need, (our census is unofficial).
In the meantime Dra Mejia offered mammograms & pap smears to all women in Tierra Blanca 12+ years of age. Completely unrelated to the lung cancer, but disease prevention in general.
Laura mentioned she had attempted to contact a Mexican expert in the field through her friend who is an epidemiologist but to no avail. Lucy said she would like that contact & will follow up.
(contact was since provided)
It was agreed that Dra Mejia would create a “packet” of information/stats etc to provide as support to request assistance from Epidemiologists, she would also identify potential epidemiologists to contact.
Fluoride:
The issue of fluoride contamination was discussed, ie that it is a very big problem but that we don’t currently have up to date statistics on the numbers of people affected, & the level of affect.
Jesus & Laura proposed that a study be carried out to determine the numbers of affected & with the aim to looking at resolution of this issue, mostly through prevention since there is no “cure”.
Dra Mejia agreed to devote 2 “robots” (dental vans) to the project, & asked for costs to cover the consumables in these vans (Rotary would attempt to assist with this, with international dentist connections through Rotary.
It would also be helpful to have volunteer dentists to assist with the info gathering process.
General point:
Laura mentioned during a meeting with IMTA in 2010 they had mentioned the foundation they work closely with in regards to water projects, Laura had contacted with no response, & Lucy volunteered to make contact to see if there was any option for funding for the water projects (with aim to prevent further fluorosis)
(contact information later provided to Lucy)
Action:
Jesus is to call Dra Mejia on Monday 14th March to find out the schedule of:-
• the Robot vans & when they can be made available
• mammograms & pap smears for eligible women in Tierra Blanca
Dra Mejia is to:
• create the “packet” of information with which to invite epidemiological assistance.
• Provide contact details of possible epidemiologists for Lucy to contact.
Laura is to provide contact details of Mexican epidemiologist expert + IMTA contact to Lucy to follow up. (done)
No next meeting date for these participants was made at this meeting.
Next meeting regarding Tierra Blanca, community assembly 30.3.11 11am. In Tierra Blanca
Wednesday, March 2, 2011
5th Regional Mtg of the Communities requesting assistance with water 2nd as a Consejo.
Record of Event
5th Regional Mtg of the Communities requesting assistance with water
2nd as a Consejo.
Where: Cedecom bldg. just off the Carretera Qto.
When: 2.3 11 (postponed from the planned 23.2.11)
Who: Communities of the Consejo, I counted approx. 67 community members.
Chela, Saul, Holly Yasui,- Cedesa, Laura – Rotary,
Sapasma director & engineers & architecto Eduardo, Ecology (Helio + others), Felipe Ojeda Arsuaga of Desarollo Social, Lucy, Irma.
Purpose: the Consejo went to the Presidencia on the 4th? Feb to ask for an audience with Lucy.
This was ultimately granted for the 16th feb. On the 16th 4 representatives of the Consejo attended a planning meeting with Lucy (la Presidenta) & Miguel Gil (desarollo social sub-director) & Sapasma rep. to discuss the plan for the regional meeting first scheduled for 23/2, but moved to 2.3.11.
The purpose of the meeting is for the communities to represent their issues as a region to Lucy & the municipality & work collaboratively to resolve these issues.
This meeting was a long time & effort in the planning, Saul & other Cedesa team members had personally visited each of the communities in the consejo to advise them of this meeting. Communication between communities is very difficult, often no cell phone coverage, or limited cell phone users/or no credit on the cell phones etc, so it is better to visit in person to ensure the message gets to the right people. Saul spent at least 4 days visiting these hard to get to communities.
Transportation into town is also a major issue, many don’t have cars, so some were able to carpool, others were transported by Cedesa on their way through, & others caught buses or hitchhiked.
People were gathered outside the building & wrote their community names on large white cards which (Holly had bought), in order to be easily identified.
The meeting began approx. 11.40am (due to start at 11am).
The building is in the form of an auditorium, so the dept. heads, as well as Saul & Cata (president of the consejo) sat on stage at a long table.
Saul led introduced himself & Cata & opened the meeting, he identified the communities.
Lucy responded that she was very happy to see everyone here today representing their Consejo & their region, & began the points for discussion.
Cata also spoke & said the main issues were about water, but that they had other issues to discuss as they had begun organizing to analyse issues & necessities by community & region. She then presented the representatives of the consejo, & asked all the communities to introduce themselves.
Los Torres, Presita Santa Rosa, Capaderillo, Cienega, La Palmita II, Juan Gonzalez, Tierra Blanca, Cinco Senores, La Tinaja, San Lorenzo, Corralejo, Vivienda de Abajo & Vivienda de Arriba. Missing were Montecillo de Nieto, Villa de Guadalupe, La Aurora & Guerrero.
Minutes from the planning meeting were read.
Looking for 3 part participation, Govt, Cedesa/Rotary, Communities
Regular meetings on subjects/issues,
Sanitarios Secos (Desarollo Social).
Aim is for the presidencia to be made aware of the issues & to begin to work together to resolve.
General discussion points were then discussed.
In Cienega there is an issue about ownership of the water concession, the person who has the concession has since gone to the USA, there was lengthy discussion led by Lucy as to suggested methods to resolve, including instructions re visiting embassy in the states, documents required etc.
(Action)Ecology is going to help with the transfer of ownership
Los Torres Well – it has been constructed for 2 years but still no water being distributed. The electricity to the pump is the wrong “phase”, so it is running. Also only the upper part of the community have contributed so only the upper community will receive water in the first phase (when they finally get electricity to the pump).
Phase II will be to gather more resources from the lower community, so is down the track.
Pipas, (water trucks) are not coming regularly.
Vivienda de Abajo/Capaderillo, lacking co-operation of the 2 communities, for 1, the agreement & 2. The payment. Needs to be an agreement with the communities supported by desarollo social…
Villa de Guadalupe – illegal well/neighbours not sharing water - to be carried forward as VdG absent.
In summary there are many outstanding issues regarding sapasma wells in the communities, including pumps not working, pumps not working long enough to supply total community, people in upper parts of community often miss out, etc.
Sanitarios Secos
There are many options, but not all are good models as well people need to be trained in proper use & maintenance, & be motivated to want to use them. Desarollo Social reported they have begun work on this issue, & have been working with Delegados, Lucy suggested they could work with the consejo in this region.
It was proposed that the Consejo would meet monthly as a region, raise the issues for bringing to the presidencia, & then there would be regular monthly meetings with the presidencia dept. heads to work on the issues.
Lucy left the meeting at 1pm, the discussion continued with Sapasma engineer. Meeting closed approx. 1.40.
Next consejo/regional meeting 23.3.11 in Vivienda de Arriba.
(next presidencia meeting to be proposed)
5th Regional Mtg of the Communities requesting assistance with water
2nd as a Consejo.
Where: Cedecom bldg. just off the Carretera Qto.
When: 2.3 11 (postponed from the planned 23.2.11)
Who: Communities of the Consejo, I counted approx. 67 community members.
Chela, Saul, Holly Yasui,- Cedesa, Laura – Rotary,
Sapasma director & engineers & architecto Eduardo, Ecology (Helio + others), Felipe Ojeda Arsuaga of Desarollo Social, Lucy, Irma.
Purpose: the Consejo went to the Presidencia on the 4th? Feb to ask for an audience with Lucy.
This was ultimately granted for the 16th feb. On the 16th 4 representatives of the Consejo attended a planning meeting with Lucy (la Presidenta) & Miguel Gil (desarollo social sub-director) & Sapasma rep. to discuss the plan for the regional meeting first scheduled for 23/2, but moved to 2.3.11.
The purpose of the meeting is for the communities to represent their issues as a region to Lucy & the municipality & work collaboratively to resolve these issues.
This meeting was a long time & effort in the planning, Saul & other Cedesa team members had personally visited each of the communities in the consejo to advise them of this meeting. Communication between communities is very difficult, often no cell phone coverage, or limited cell phone users/or no credit on the cell phones etc, so it is better to visit in person to ensure the message gets to the right people. Saul spent at least 4 days visiting these hard to get to communities.
Transportation into town is also a major issue, many don’t have cars, so some were able to carpool, others were transported by Cedesa on their way through, & others caught buses or hitchhiked.
People were gathered outside the building & wrote their community names on large white cards which (Holly had bought), in order to be easily identified.
The meeting began approx. 11.40am (due to start at 11am).
The building is in the form of an auditorium, so the dept. heads, as well as Saul & Cata (president of the consejo) sat on stage at a long table.
Saul led introduced himself & Cata & opened the meeting, he identified the communities.
Lucy responded that she was very happy to see everyone here today representing their Consejo & their region, & began the points for discussion.
Cata also spoke & said the main issues were about water, but that they had other issues to discuss as they had begun organizing to analyse issues & necessities by community & region. She then presented the representatives of the consejo, & asked all the communities to introduce themselves.
Los Torres, Presita Santa Rosa, Capaderillo, Cienega, La Palmita II, Juan Gonzalez, Tierra Blanca, Cinco Senores, La Tinaja, San Lorenzo, Corralejo, Vivienda de Abajo & Vivienda de Arriba. Missing were Montecillo de Nieto, Villa de Guadalupe, La Aurora & Guerrero.
Minutes from the planning meeting were read.
Looking for 3 part participation, Govt, Cedesa/Rotary, Communities
Regular meetings on subjects/issues,
Sanitarios Secos (Desarollo Social).
Aim is for the presidencia to be made aware of the issues & to begin to work together to resolve.
General discussion points were then discussed.
In Cienega there is an issue about ownership of the water concession, the person who has the concession has since gone to the USA, there was lengthy discussion led by Lucy as to suggested methods to resolve, including instructions re visiting embassy in the states, documents required etc.
(Action)Ecology is going to help with the transfer of ownership
Los Torres Well – it has been constructed for 2 years but still no water being distributed. The electricity to the pump is the wrong “phase”, so it is running. Also only the upper part of the community have contributed so only the upper community will receive water in the first phase (when they finally get electricity to the pump).
Phase II will be to gather more resources from the lower community, so is down the track.
Pipas, (water trucks) are not coming regularly.
Vivienda de Abajo/Capaderillo, lacking co-operation of the 2 communities, for 1, the agreement & 2. The payment. Needs to be an agreement with the communities supported by desarollo social…
Villa de Guadalupe – illegal well/neighbours not sharing water - to be carried forward as VdG absent.
In summary there are many outstanding issues regarding sapasma wells in the communities, including pumps not working, pumps not working long enough to supply total community, people in upper parts of community often miss out, etc.
Sanitarios Secos
There are many options, but not all are good models as well people need to be trained in proper use & maintenance, & be motivated to want to use them. Desarollo Social reported they have begun work on this issue, & have been working with Delegados, Lucy suggested they could work with the consejo in this region.
It was proposed that the Consejo would meet monthly as a region, raise the issues for bringing to the presidencia, & then there would be regular monthly meetings with the presidencia dept. heads to work on the issues.
Lucy left the meeting at 1pm, the discussion continued with Sapasma engineer. Meeting closed approx. 1.40.
Next consejo/regional meeting 23.3.11 in Vivienda de Arriba.
(next presidencia meeting to be proposed)
Monday, February 21, 2011
4th Event of the SMA Midday Rotary Vivienda Urbana Water Project (part of Micro Region 2)
Record of Event
Where: Casa across from, in Vivienda Urbana, & Cedesa in Dolores Hidalgo
When: Monday 21.2.11 9am – 5pm
Who: Holly, Saul (Cedesa), Jim Johnson & Daughter Hadley, Steve Stevens & wife, Pedrito Maynard-Reid, Nancy & Larry, (all visiting from Walla Walla Rotary Club), Laura – San Miguel Midday RC, + approx. 7 group 4 people from Vivienda Urbana,
Purpose: Multiple:
1. For the Walla Walla visitors to know more about the project & participate in the construction of another cistern
2. For the Walla Walla to get to know more about our co-operating partners & their location.
Vivienda Urbana
Larry, Nancy & Pedrito were collected from Hotel Sautto in Centro (where they were staying) & taken to Vivienda Urbana to work with another group of people.
We arrived at approx. 9.30 as planned, we had thought there was the possibility of working with the same group on the next phase (ie mixing cement) but deliveries of cement were delayed so they worked with people from Group 4, weaving wires again.
Larry was straight into things, from his experience on Saturday, Pedrito had another lesson with Laura & “got it” right away…Nancy was quality control!
Laura left them to it & promised to return at about 12 midday to take them to Cedesa with the rest of the group…
Jim & Steve were waiting at Sautto (our meeting point) with wives & daughter, & Susan gracefully bowed out since there was going to be a crush in the van…The others piled in & off we went.
We collected hot & dusty, Larry, Pedrito & Nancy, bade farewell to the people with whom they had been working & drove approx. 45 mins to Dolores Hidalgo, collecting Saul on the way. We were supposed to also collect Humberto but apparently he didn’t realize this, (just as well, as would definitely have been suffocation in the back of the van with an extra!).
Cedesa Visit
We arrived at Cedesa (in Dolores Hidalgo) & were greeted by Tere & Holly, the visitors watched the video which tells the history of Cedesa, it’s people & mission.
We had a delicious lunch, schnitzel, rice, tortillas, nopal (cactus) salad, choko, beans, washed down with lemonade & followed by desert of guava paste (Pedrito calls it Guava cheese in Jamaica)…
Holly gave us a great tour of the eco-technologies that Cedesa teaches, lorena stove, dry/composting toilets, cisterns, grey water recycling, dehydrator, solar distiller & solar hot water, & viewed the scale diorama of the water shed of this area. We also saw nopal orchard & herb & vege gardens, big piles of healthy compost & skipped the worm farm (Holly doesn’t like worms… ).
After a spot of shopping at the onsite produce store, (Pedrito bought Jamaica tea, coffee, guava cheese, honey, orange marmalade & other assorted goodies), happy with full bellies & bulging knowledge banks, we climbed (crammed!) back into the trusty steed (known as a chevy astro!) & made tracks back to San Miguel…
Where: Casa across from, in Vivienda Urbana, & Cedesa in Dolores Hidalgo
When: Monday 21.2.11 9am – 5pm
Who: Holly, Saul (Cedesa), Jim Johnson & Daughter Hadley, Steve Stevens & wife, Pedrito Maynard-Reid, Nancy & Larry, (all visiting from Walla Walla Rotary Club), Laura – San Miguel Midday RC, + approx. 7 group 4 people from Vivienda Urbana,
Purpose: Multiple:
1. For the Walla Walla visitors to know more about the project & participate in the construction of another cistern
2. For the Walla Walla to get to know more about our co-operating partners & their location.
Vivienda Urbana
Larry, Nancy & Pedrito were collected from Hotel Sautto in Centro (where they were staying) & taken to Vivienda Urbana to work with another group of people.
We arrived at approx. 9.30 as planned, we had thought there was the possibility of working with the same group on the next phase (ie mixing cement) but deliveries of cement were delayed so they worked with people from Group 4, weaving wires again.
Larry was straight into things, from his experience on Saturday, Pedrito had another lesson with Laura & “got it” right away…Nancy was quality control!
Laura left them to it & promised to return at about 12 midday to take them to Cedesa with the rest of the group…
Jim & Steve were waiting at Sautto (our meeting point) with wives & daughter, & Susan gracefully bowed out since there was going to be a crush in the van…The others piled in & off we went.
We collected hot & dusty, Larry, Pedrito & Nancy, bade farewell to the people with whom they had been working & drove approx. 45 mins to Dolores Hidalgo, collecting Saul on the way. We were supposed to also collect Humberto but apparently he didn’t realize this, (just as well, as would definitely have been suffocation in the back of the van with an extra!).
Cedesa Visit
We arrived at Cedesa (in Dolores Hidalgo) & were greeted by Tere & Holly, the visitors watched the video which tells the history of Cedesa, it’s people & mission.
We had a delicious lunch, schnitzel, rice, tortillas, nopal (cactus) salad, choko, beans, washed down with lemonade & followed by desert of guava paste (Pedrito calls it Guava cheese in Jamaica)…
Holly gave us a great tour of the eco-technologies that Cedesa teaches, lorena stove, dry/composting toilets, cisterns, grey water recycling, dehydrator, solar distiller & solar hot water, & viewed the scale diorama of the water shed of this area. We also saw nopal orchard & herb & vege gardens, big piles of healthy compost & skipped the worm farm (Holly doesn’t like worms… ).
After a spot of shopping at the onsite produce store, (Pedrito bought Jamaica tea, coffee, guava cheese, honey, orange marmalade & other assorted goodies), happy with full bellies & bulging knowledge banks, we climbed (crammed!) back into the trusty steed (known as a chevy astro!) & made tracks back to San Miguel…
Saturday, February 19, 2011
3rd Event of the SMA Midday Rotary Vivienda Urbana Water Project (part of Micro Region 2)
Record of Event
Where: Casa beside Kinder, in Vivienda Urbana, Salud’s house in Guerrero, 1st Visit to Corralejo
When: Saturday 19.2.11 9am – 2pm
Who: Saul (Cedesa), David Gillis (Videographer, recording the process/project), Jim Johnson, Steve Stevens, Pedrito Maynard-Reid, Nancy & Larry, (all visiting from Walla Walla Rotary Club), Laura – San Miguel Midday RC, + approx. 7 group 1 people from Vivienda Urbana, & approx. 15 people at the Corralejo Assembly.
Purpose: Multiple:
1. For the Walla Walla visitors to know more about the project & participate in the construction of a cistern
2. To take water samples from the family well of Salud in Guerrero
3. To have a community meeting in Coralejo
4. To video the events of the day, to potentially include in a video about the project.
Vivienda de Urbana
We arrived at approx. 9.30 as planned, & Saul was waiting for us, he took us to the house where the 1st cistern was being worked on for group 1. The wire hooking tools (ganchos) were being made with a grinder & off-cuts of wire mesh.
Saul demonstrated to the Walla Walla crew the process of weaving the 3 layers of wire together. Everyone had a go, & found it to be more difficult than it looked, especially in the hot sun & on your knees!
It was pretty funny hearing Saul speaking in Spanish & the Walla Wallans responding in English, saying how difficult it was, & Saul disagreeing saying it was simple…& try again… & again…
Guerrero for water sample:
Larry was very determined to get it & stayed to work while the rest of us piled in the van & headed to the community down the road – Guerrero, to a location where one of the families had constructed a cistern as part of the phase I project in Capaderillo. We were there to take a sample of their well water (we know this area has high concentrations of fluoride – around 4.3mg/l) & wanted to take film footage of retrieving the sample, & will later show it being tested at the Laboratory at Cedesa (in Dolores Hidalgo).
The well is approx. 15 mtrs deep (pretty shallow as it is close to the “lake” (Presa, or Muddy Puddle as I refer to it!)…Pedrito insisted on pulling another bucket of water from the well to show how it was done, & we almost collapsed from laughing too hard, when his bucket first came up empty! He lowered it again & this time pulled it up full! David got some video footage of the hilarity & an interview with Salud & we thanked them & were on our way again.
We got back to find Larry diligently working beside his new Mexican friends. We explained we had to take Saul to Coralejeo to a community meeting, & people could stay & work, or come on the excursion.
Larry chose to stay & work, the rest of us headed off.
Corralejo de Abajo – community meeting
We drove to Coralejo, approx. 15 mins up Gto highway, & then supposedly close to the highway, but seems different people have different definitions of “close” & we are glad we didn’t accept David’s offer to walk the rest of the way, when we crammed the waiting community members in to show us the way… he may never have gotten there – it was a good 10 mins driving on a pretty “hairy” road.
We arrived to find a few people waiting for us, & more gathered.
It is a little community actually just round the river bend from Cinco Senores, but accessed by a different “road”.
The community looked comparatively pretty prosperous – finished houses, established gardens, & we lost Pedrito for a few minutes, but turns out he had discovered a very rare beast – a flush toilet! There were also a few more recent model pickups! After a short while we discovered that there were no men here in Coralejo, they are all working in the states. Some have been gone for 2-3 yrs, one woman mentioned her husband had been gone for 5 yrs… This is the catch 22, either you have your husband here & family unit complete, but less money, or husband absent & (hopefully) slightly more money!
We introduced ourselves & then Saul spent some time explaining what a community assembly is & why we were there, ie to invite them to become part of the Consejo (citizens water group – that has currently 18 communities)…he explained the benefits of becoming organized, & that they would then be able to meet, discuss, analyse & ultimately resolve their own issues.
He also talked about their water situation, they have a Sapasma supplied well, & piping to each house. This was put in about 9 yrs ago, they had to pay 7000 pesos per family. The well is guessed to be approx. 200mtrs deep, & they have never had it tested for Fluoride… Some people had damaged teeth but not many,
There were jokes made about the lack of men in the community, & the pro’s & con’s of this situation, including the very first private flush toilet we have encountered!
We were invited to “share a taco” & were taken to the house near the center, they fed us well with beans, rice, tortillas, & chicheron, washed down with Guayava water. I encouraged the Walla Wallan’s to partake in the food, explaining that I had never been sick the next day from eating at a community.
Everyone had a little rice & tortilla, & we thanked our gracious hosts & left to find our way back to Larry…
Back in Vivienda Urbana
We arrived back to find Larry had been working very hard, he’d also been fed (thankfully or he would have blown away!), we spoke to 2 of the older women who were separating beans from chaff, & rubbing maize off the cob (for grinding into flour to make tortillas)…
More photos were taken, & farewells made…
A hot dusty, exhausted but satisfied bunch of Walla Wallans were deposited back into town (for more interviews by David!) & a good day was had by all…
Next Event in Vivienda Urbana planned for 9.30am Mon 21st Feb 2011
Where: Casa beside Kinder, in Vivienda Urbana, Salud’s house in Guerrero, 1st Visit to Corralejo
When: Saturday 19.2.11 9am – 2pm
Who: Saul (Cedesa), David Gillis (Videographer, recording the process/project), Jim Johnson, Steve Stevens, Pedrito Maynard-Reid, Nancy & Larry, (all visiting from Walla Walla Rotary Club), Laura – San Miguel Midday RC, + approx. 7 group 1 people from Vivienda Urbana, & approx. 15 people at the Corralejo Assembly.
Purpose: Multiple:
1. For the Walla Walla visitors to know more about the project & participate in the construction of a cistern
2. To take water samples from the family well of Salud in Guerrero
3. To have a community meeting in Coralejo
4. To video the events of the day, to potentially include in a video about the project.
Vivienda de Urbana
We arrived at approx. 9.30 as planned, & Saul was waiting for us, he took us to the house where the 1st cistern was being worked on for group 1. The wire hooking tools (ganchos) were being made with a grinder & off-cuts of wire mesh.
Saul demonstrated to the Walla Walla crew the process of weaving the 3 layers of wire together. Everyone had a go, & found it to be more difficult than it looked, especially in the hot sun & on your knees!
It was pretty funny hearing Saul speaking in Spanish & the Walla Wallans responding in English, saying how difficult it was, & Saul disagreeing saying it was simple…& try again… & again…
Guerrero for water sample:
Larry was very determined to get it & stayed to work while the rest of us piled in the van & headed to the community down the road – Guerrero, to a location where one of the families had constructed a cistern as part of the phase I project in Capaderillo. We were there to take a sample of their well water (we know this area has high concentrations of fluoride – around 4.3mg/l) & wanted to take film footage of retrieving the sample, & will later show it being tested at the Laboratory at Cedesa (in Dolores Hidalgo).
The well is approx. 15 mtrs deep (pretty shallow as it is close to the “lake” (Presa, or Muddy Puddle as I refer to it!)…Pedrito insisted on pulling another bucket of water from the well to show how it was done, & we almost collapsed from laughing too hard, when his bucket first came up empty! He lowered it again & this time pulled it up full! David got some video footage of the hilarity & an interview with Salud & we thanked them & were on our way again.
We got back to find Larry diligently working beside his new Mexican friends. We explained we had to take Saul to Coralejeo to a community meeting, & people could stay & work, or come on the excursion.
Larry chose to stay & work, the rest of us headed off.
Corralejo de Abajo – community meeting
We drove to Coralejo, approx. 15 mins up Gto highway, & then supposedly close to the highway, but seems different people have different definitions of “close” & we are glad we didn’t accept David’s offer to walk the rest of the way, when we crammed the waiting community members in to show us the way… he may never have gotten there – it was a good 10 mins driving on a pretty “hairy” road.
We arrived to find a few people waiting for us, & more gathered.
It is a little community actually just round the river bend from Cinco Senores, but accessed by a different “road”.
The community looked comparatively pretty prosperous – finished houses, established gardens, & we lost Pedrito for a few minutes, but turns out he had discovered a very rare beast – a flush toilet! There were also a few more recent model pickups! After a short while we discovered that there were no men here in Coralejo, they are all working in the states. Some have been gone for 2-3 yrs, one woman mentioned her husband had been gone for 5 yrs… This is the catch 22, either you have your husband here & family unit complete, but less money, or husband absent & (hopefully) slightly more money!
We introduced ourselves & then Saul spent some time explaining what a community assembly is & why we were there, ie to invite them to become part of the Consejo (citizens water group – that has currently 18 communities)…he explained the benefits of becoming organized, & that they would then be able to meet, discuss, analyse & ultimately resolve their own issues.
He also talked about their water situation, they have a Sapasma supplied well, & piping to each house. This was put in about 9 yrs ago, they had to pay 7000 pesos per family. The well is guessed to be approx. 200mtrs deep, & they have never had it tested for Fluoride… Some people had damaged teeth but not many,
There were jokes made about the lack of men in the community, & the pro’s & con’s of this situation, including the very first private flush toilet we have encountered!
We were invited to “share a taco” & were taken to the house near the center, they fed us well with beans, rice, tortillas, & chicheron, washed down with Guayava water. I encouraged the Walla Wallan’s to partake in the food, explaining that I had never been sick the next day from eating at a community.
Everyone had a little rice & tortilla, & we thanked our gracious hosts & left to find our way back to Larry…
Back in Vivienda Urbana
We arrived back to find Larry had been working very hard, he’d also been fed (thankfully or he would have blown away!), we spoke to 2 of the older women who were separating beans from chaff, & rubbing maize off the cob (for grinding into flour to make tortillas)…
More photos were taken, & farewells made…
A hot dusty, exhausted but satisfied bunch of Walla Wallans were deposited back into town (for more interviews by David!) & a good day was had by all…
Next Event in Vivienda Urbana planned for 9.30am Mon 21st Feb 2011
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