Record of Event pg 1 of 3
6th Mtg of the SMA Midday Rotary Cruz del Palmar Water Project
Where: Cruz del Palmar Community (40 mins from SMA)
When: Wed May 12.05.10 11am
Who: Chela, Holly (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary), 27 adults incl 4 men, 6 kids, 4 dogs, & 1 cat!
Purpose: Review 1st phase of construction of individual cisterns
We paid the door supplier on the way, & placed order for the next lot of doors for 1 of the 4 – soon to be 5 – current projects.
Rafael Cruz (technician for this community as well as Montecillo de Nieto, met us at CdP & I paid him for his tech. assistance days 3+1 prob solving day, for CdP, & 4 days for MdN.
The meeting was held in the local park (not at Yolande’s house) on concrete planters under the large gum trees (could have been in Australia!!)…
The roll was passed, & people signed in.
There is one woman on the waiting list, but she is not ready to begin as is currently constructing a house as part of the casa diferente project by DIF (dept of social welfare equivalent).
There are to be 2 points for discussion
• Revision of the groups
• Revision of materials
Revision of Groups
Group 1.
Chela asked who is in group 1, who are working & where are they up to in their construction.
Ana & Jose Luis not working, & Martin is working with Olivia from Group 2.
4 women are working together, Martin is working on his own & with Olivia from Group 2, & Jose Luis has not managed to hook up with anyone working yet. He is working fulltime & so can not work at the same time as others.
They had all agreed to hire an abanile (experienced carpenter) to work with them, & pay them themselves, since Jose Luis couldn’t work with them.
Chela asked what should be done about the 2 not working then?
“the materials have not arrived for everyone in the group yet, but most people understand they must work with the group & when the 2nd part of the materials arrive work on those too…”
Chela pointed out they need to honour & respect their agreements to work together in groups.
There was a suggestion for the ones not working from each of the groups to form a separate group.
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
I mentioned that I don’t like the idea of a “splitter” group since a large part of the exercise was to learn how to work in a group, & to make that group work. I asked if there was some other form of payback they could come up with to compensate for not working so far, they explained they had already paid abaniles to help them with the bits they couldn’t do, so it was too late for the others to re-join.
Group 2.
This group had had a planning meeting to which some people didn’t come, they argued they didn’t know about the meeting.
Esther, Estella & Olivia were not working with the group.
Esther & Estella had joined group 3. Olivia was now working with Martin (from group 1.
The others have been working together.
Chela suggested maybe there is a problem with human relations & maybe they need to work on “working with eachother”…
Group 3
This group had all been working together, including 2 from group 2, & 1 from the “pending group” who had voluntarily been working.
“When you work with a group, you talk to others working with you, if you work alone you only have the wire to talk to & you get tired & grumpy.”
The harmony of working in a group is great.
Taking lack of husbands working into consideration, it is not just 1 or 2 days work but is actually weeks, but will be worth it.
One of the women mentioned how upset she was because they had all agreed at the assemblies to work in groups, & then when the materials arrived people had split into different groups.
There was a question about the plywood, & pointed out there is one set for each group, apparently initially one of the groups received & used all of the plywood until the other groups went to them to ask for it back.
24 sheets came (should be only 18 sheets) ie 6 per group, & 3 groups in CdP.
They also have 1 set from the pilot to use, someone needs to go to the school to retrieve this set, they suggested the splitter group use this. Then decided since group 3 is the biggest they should retrieve this set.
Group 4 is to form with the “non-co-operating” people & new people.
Marcelina, Cristina, Felix, Amada, Celia, Wenceslada (working with group 3), Jesus
(these are an extra 7 people who were on the waiting list, Laura said after revising the budget it appears we have sufficient $$ to add these people)
They will work with Jose Luis, & Ana from group 1 (who already have cistern materials)
The budget will have to stretch to cover, standard materials, variable materials (pvc), tech assistance, wood, doors, sand.
In total CdP will complete 27 Cisterns (not the previously budgeted 20).
Review of Materials
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Diana Gonzalez asked about the pvc for the first lost of cisterns, I have been checking with Don Pedro (the supplier) daily, but it is a big order so they are waiting on their supplier. They will keep her informed & she has the number at Don Pedro.
We asked when they would be ready for the materials for the final 8 cisterns (they are currently completing the first 12 ) & now, also for the materials for the new 7 cisterns.
They agreed all for the last week of May (Laura will place the order for additional materials & make payment, & then request delivery of the materials for the total 15 on the last week of May).
Diana asked who will receive the variable materials for the 15 cisterns - & then agreed she would do it again, with help from others, since she is not home every day, she will ask that others spread the word once the materials arrive, & people come to collect them asap.
One woman building a Dif house asked if it’s ok to put the pipes up when they are finished the house, Chela suggested they put the pipes on the old house in the meantime to maximise rain collection, & move them to the new house once it’s completed.
Someone asked about the green slime that shows in the hoses on the outside of the tank, & if it means there is slime inside the tank? Chela explained the slime is a result of the sun, & therefore is only in the transparent hose & not in the tank. Also that it is harmless…
Someone called Chela Senora & got reprimanded, she insists they not call her Donya or Senora, but just Chela (the person, not Chela the beer) & everyone had a good chuckle.
Carmen Noria asked to go on the list, since we have only enough for 7 more (fingers crossed!!), Holly explained if others receiving materials do not co-operate & work in a group they may lose it, in which case she could gain them.
Chela invited people who are interested in receiving materials & not currently on the list to come to the next meeting, attendees at this meeting are to inform others interested, & there may be a 2nd phase to this project.
Next meeting to be 9th June @ 11am (10.30 Puente Cienegita)
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
3rd Mtg of the SMA Midday Rotary Capaderillo potential water Project
Record of Event pg 1 of 3
3rd Mtg of the SMA Midday Rotary Capaderillo potential water Project
Where: Capaderillo Community (40 mins from SMA)
When: Wed 5th May at 12pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), & Chela (Cedesa) + 31 adults (including 2 men) +3kids (& 2 dogs)
Purpose: Next Assembly re potential future water project in this community
There are 5 new people @ today’s meeting.
26 who have been in previous meetings (or sent representatives).
This is the 3rd community assembly/meeting & everyone was invited to say their name (first name only) to introduce themselves, this is surprisingly a very difficult task for some, who are too shy to say their first names, & introduce themselves as “her daughter” for example…
Procopio, the young kid that answered the hydraulic cycle questions last time is back again.
Chela asked for proposal for a co-ordinator – everyone too shy… she prompted them to describe what the role consisted of. “inform those that don’t understand, the reason for the meeting”, “ people raise their hands to talk, & the co-ordinator ‘gives people the word’ “… “to keep order”, “to provoke participation”. “ solicit the attendees for agenda topics”, “help analyse the issues raised”,
Elvia was proposed & she joked about proposing Tomasa for the role (Tomasa wasn’t here today!)… All voted for Elvia.
Chela then realised that we had newcomers & we should explain who we are & why we’re here for them. Essentially she gave a brief explanation that we are planning a resolution for the drinking water issue.
Elvia was directed to call for Agenda items for today’s meeting.
• Progress
• Promises/commitments
• Revise meetings of ecology & sapasma & presidencia
• Planning the next step
Chela asked those visiting for the first time where they were from. 2 were visiting from Vivienda de Abajo, they want to know more & they were invited by friend. They were asked to describe their water circumstance… Alicia – no community well, a family pozo (well) (contaminated), they are close to the school & have to carry water there. The other woman has a well but it dries up in the dry season, they have to pull the water up by hand, it’s actually her sister’s well.
Around 12 people attending today have their own wells, from 15-25 mtrs deep, the problem is these wells are contaminated. Chela explained soon Cedesa will be able to do tests of their wells, but the tests the govt has done in the past show levels of 4mg/l (VERY DANGEROUS LEVELS), & that’s really why we are all here.
Chela explained that Vivienda de Arriba & Cruz del Palmar communities came to us after seeing the success of Los Torres (in Montecillo de Nieto – we went to them), the word is spreading & therefore the solution is growing.
Chela “you are all interested in being involved in resolving your own issue, through participation & construction of your own cisterns.
Revise meetings of ecology & sapasma & presidencia
Laura (through Elena) described the process by which $$$ have now become available for the project here in Capaderillo.
Ecology has agreed to fund the project which comes with great added responsibility for this Community - this project really has to succeed. Future project funding will be reliant on the success of this project.
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
The partners will be Cedesa (organising), Los Torres tech guys, (teaching & demonstrating construction), Rotary (oversight & reporting), Ecology Green fund ($$ for the project) & Capaderillo Community (building their own cisterns)…All of this is to happen before the next rains (ie in the next 6 -8 wks).
Question Why do we build the type of cisterns we do? Why not below ground?
One of the men present asked why we build the above ground cisterns & there was discussion around this… Chela said there are basically 2 types of water tanks, above ground & below ground. She asked why we build above ground
“imagine it takes more work to excavate a hole”,
Other reasons why we don’t use below ground cisterns:
• It takes more work to retrieve the water daily from a below ground cistern (as opposed to turning on a tap).
• It is harder to keep clean, as it has to be opened to retrieve the water (bacteria/dirt is easily introduced).
• Harder to identify a leak.
• Is more likely to get slime as it is uncovered while retrieving water
We compared the process of receiving funds from the Ecology green fund (which comes largely from fines for infringements on environmental laws), versus the huge work involved in applying for & eventually receiving $$ from Rotary. Chela said it is important for them to know how many people are working on their behalf in so many different areas…
At this point there was a lot of information being transferred & people were starting to look a bit glassy eyed, Chela challenged one man, he said “I’m falling asleep but I’m still gathering all the info” everyone laughed…
Chela reiterated it’s important that everyone knows the whole team, & solidarity behind them, & that now the Municipality is responding to this call for help (as per their obligation to respond), & now they know all about the greenfund too!
It was explained that we have to come up with a full plan to present on the 15th of May to Ecology for approval, it involves responsibility, commitment & volunteering to work, it is incredibly important to get this right as it will open the door for others in the same predicament.
Planning the next step
How many cisterns to include? How many people had attended previous meetings, as part of the commitment in order to receive these materials (cisterns) was participation in the meetings.
It was decided minimum attendance of 2 of the 3 meetings was necessary to qualify to get on the list.
The next step is to start forming groups (work groups). Saul explained it is very important that those who volunteer for each group are happy to work together, & are able to work at the same time (ie some might choose weekends, others afternoons). Working together in groups if primary to the success of the project, & when the materials arrive, we don’t want people to just want to build their own cisterns & not help in a team.
The Pilot will be at the primary school.
At this point there are approx. 30 on the list, so there will be 5 groups of 6 families.
Saul reiterated how important it is to have a minimum of 1 abanile (experienced builder) in the group. Julio, one of the other men, said if there is not one per group, we can look for one to help.
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Group 1
Cruz*
Saul*
Enedina
Elvia
Emma
Reinalda
Group 2
Timotea*
Estelo*
Maria Con.
Julia
Luz
Elena
Group 3
Consuelo
Remedios
Margarita
Juana V.
Cristina*
Maria Guad*
Group 4
Carolina*
Lucia
Adriana
Nicolasa
Francisca
Marino*
Group 5
Juana A*
Lucia
Hermelinda*
Lilia
Martina
Noema
Group 6 (pending)
Eva*
Juana R
Alicia (VdAb)
Martina(VdAb)
Francisca (1st mtg)
Herminia (1st mtg)
Pulchiria(mother)
* denotes group leaders/co-ordinators
While working with people to form groups, it was discovered that there are 7 people who would like to be on the list, but are on the “waiting list” since they haven’t attended the requisite number of meetings at this point.
Hence we now have 37 people on the list to receive cisterns.
The next meeting was to be 2nd June at 11am, but since we have since received the good news that the funding from Ecology is definite, there will be an additional planning meeting on Wed. 26th May at 11am (pre meeting at 10am)
Next Assembly in Capaderillo will be Wednesday 26/5 at 11am (10am in El Cortijo)
3rd Mtg of the SMA Midday Rotary Capaderillo potential water Project
Where: Capaderillo Community (40 mins from SMA)
When: Wed 5th May at 12pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), & Chela (Cedesa) + 31 adults (including 2 men) +3kids (& 2 dogs)
Purpose: Next Assembly re potential future water project in this community
There are 5 new people @ today’s meeting.
26 who have been in previous meetings (or sent representatives).
This is the 3rd community assembly/meeting & everyone was invited to say their name (first name only) to introduce themselves, this is surprisingly a very difficult task for some, who are too shy to say their first names, & introduce themselves as “her daughter” for example…
Procopio, the young kid that answered the hydraulic cycle questions last time is back again.
Chela asked for proposal for a co-ordinator – everyone too shy… she prompted them to describe what the role consisted of. “inform those that don’t understand, the reason for the meeting”, “ people raise their hands to talk, & the co-ordinator ‘gives people the word’ “… “to keep order”, “to provoke participation”. “ solicit the attendees for agenda topics”, “help analyse the issues raised”,
Elvia was proposed & she joked about proposing Tomasa for the role (Tomasa wasn’t here today!)… All voted for Elvia.
Chela then realised that we had newcomers & we should explain who we are & why we’re here for them. Essentially she gave a brief explanation that we are planning a resolution for the drinking water issue.
Elvia was directed to call for Agenda items for today’s meeting.
• Progress
• Promises/commitments
• Revise meetings of ecology & sapasma & presidencia
• Planning the next step
Chela asked those visiting for the first time where they were from. 2 were visiting from Vivienda de Abajo, they want to know more & they were invited by friend. They were asked to describe their water circumstance… Alicia – no community well, a family pozo (well) (contaminated), they are close to the school & have to carry water there. The other woman has a well but it dries up in the dry season, they have to pull the water up by hand, it’s actually her sister’s well.
Around 12 people attending today have their own wells, from 15-25 mtrs deep, the problem is these wells are contaminated. Chela explained soon Cedesa will be able to do tests of their wells, but the tests the govt has done in the past show levels of 4mg/l (VERY DANGEROUS LEVELS), & that’s really why we are all here.
Chela explained that Vivienda de Arriba & Cruz del Palmar communities came to us after seeing the success of Los Torres (in Montecillo de Nieto – we went to them), the word is spreading & therefore the solution is growing.
Chela “you are all interested in being involved in resolving your own issue, through participation & construction of your own cisterns.
Revise meetings of ecology & sapasma & presidencia
Laura (through Elena) described the process by which $$$ have now become available for the project here in Capaderillo.
Ecology has agreed to fund the project which comes with great added responsibility for this Community - this project really has to succeed. Future project funding will be reliant on the success of this project.
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
The partners will be Cedesa (organising), Los Torres tech guys, (teaching & demonstrating construction), Rotary (oversight & reporting), Ecology Green fund ($$ for the project) & Capaderillo Community (building their own cisterns)…All of this is to happen before the next rains (ie in the next 6 -8 wks).
Question Why do we build the type of cisterns we do? Why not below ground?
One of the men present asked why we build the above ground cisterns & there was discussion around this… Chela said there are basically 2 types of water tanks, above ground & below ground. She asked why we build above ground
“imagine it takes more work to excavate a hole”,
Other reasons why we don’t use below ground cisterns:
• It takes more work to retrieve the water daily from a below ground cistern (as opposed to turning on a tap).
• It is harder to keep clean, as it has to be opened to retrieve the water (bacteria/dirt is easily introduced).
• Harder to identify a leak.
• Is more likely to get slime as it is uncovered while retrieving water
We compared the process of receiving funds from the Ecology green fund (which comes largely from fines for infringements on environmental laws), versus the huge work involved in applying for & eventually receiving $$ from Rotary. Chela said it is important for them to know how many people are working on their behalf in so many different areas…
At this point there was a lot of information being transferred & people were starting to look a bit glassy eyed, Chela challenged one man, he said “I’m falling asleep but I’m still gathering all the info” everyone laughed…
Chela reiterated it’s important that everyone knows the whole team, & solidarity behind them, & that now the Municipality is responding to this call for help (as per their obligation to respond), & now they know all about the greenfund too!
It was explained that we have to come up with a full plan to present on the 15th of May to Ecology for approval, it involves responsibility, commitment & volunteering to work, it is incredibly important to get this right as it will open the door for others in the same predicament.
Planning the next step
How many cisterns to include? How many people had attended previous meetings, as part of the commitment in order to receive these materials (cisterns) was participation in the meetings.
It was decided minimum attendance of 2 of the 3 meetings was necessary to qualify to get on the list.
The next step is to start forming groups (work groups). Saul explained it is very important that those who volunteer for each group are happy to work together, & are able to work at the same time (ie some might choose weekends, others afternoons). Working together in groups if primary to the success of the project, & when the materials arrive, we don’t want people to just want to build their own cisterns & not help in a team.
The Pilot will be at the primary school.
At this point there are approx. 30 on the list, so there will be 5 groups of 6 families.
Saul reiterated how important it is to have a minimum of 1 abanile (experienced builder) in the group. Julio, one of the other men, said if there is not one per group, we can look for one to help.
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Group 1
Cruz*
Saul*
Enedina
Elvia
Emma
Reinalda
Group 2
Timotea*
Estelo*
Maria Con.
Julia
Luz
Elena
Group 3
Consuelo
Remedios
Margarita
Juana V.
Cristina*
Maria Guad*
Group 4
Carolina*
Lucia
Adriana
Nicolasa
Francisca
Marino*
Group 5
Juana A*
Lucia
Hermelinda*
Lilia
Martina
Noema
Group 6 (pending)
Eva*
Juana R
Alicia (VdAb)
Martina(VdAb)
Francisca (1st mtg)
Herminia (1st mtg)
Pulchiria(mother)
* denotes group leaders/co-ordinators
While working with people to form groups, it was discovered that there are 7 people who would like to be on the list, but are on the “waiting list” since they haven’t attended the requisite number of meetings at this point.
Hence we now have 37 people on the list to receive cisterns.
The next meeting was to be 2nd June at 11am, but since we have since received the good news that the funding from Ecology is definite, there will be an additional planning meeting on Wed. 26th May at 11am (pre meeting at 10am)
Next Assembly in Capaderillo will be Wednesday 26/5 at 11am (10am in El Cortijo)
8th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Record of Event pg 1 of 1
8th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Where: Montecillo de Nieto Kindergarten
When: 05.05.10 12.20 – 1.20pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), 12 women & 1 man.
Purpose: Resolve Group 4 work issues
Meeting was called in answer to a request to help resolve working issues in Group 4. 2 women who are supposed to be part of the group are not working with the group, they simply came to see the work being done & then went home. The women who are working would like help to resolve this, & are suggesting another woman receive the materials of one of these women, since she is working with them of her own accord.
When we arrived the women were ready & waiting. They reported they have completed one cistern already, & it has water in it to stop it cracking, this water will be emptied before the rains, so to not contaminate the drinkable rain water.
Elena opened the discussions with a general description about growth, & not asking or relying on others, but taking responsibility for ones own actions, working in harmony & in peace to make success with your own hands…
The materials for just 3 of the 6 in the group have arrived, this is as planned, ie the first 3 cisterns need to be completed before the materials for the next 3 cisterns will be delivered.
Of the 2 women who have said to be not working, one was present & one came later during the meeting. The one woman attending said she could not work because her son was sick.
The other women in the group said they don’t mind if she receives the materials but they don’t intend to help her build her cistern, & they’re concerned this will create a precedent of others wanting to build their own cisterns without helping or co-operating in a group (one of the main objectives of this project is to learn to work in groups to solve issues).
The 2nd woman arrived, & discussion centred around responsibility & being part of a team.
There was a lot of discussion as to how to resolve this, whether the women should receive the materials or whether the materials be given to people who are working & prepared to work.
The woman with the sick son apparently is married to a “mason” who could help with the work of the cisterns. She would ask him.
A proposal was made - if the women demonstrate their motivation to make up for their lack of involvement, ie by bringing meals to the 3 families on the days she is unable to work, they will consider it..
Woman 1 with the sick son – Cruz Jimenez, will do extra work, ie her husband will help.
Woman 2 – Saleta - will provide food on Sat & Sun to the working party (breakfast & lunch), & will work with the group on Mon, Tues & Wed.
It was then raised that another woman – Consuelo Ramirez, had been working extra hard, despite not being on the list to receive materials for a cistern.
Laura suggested that since we are running slightly under budget there is enough $$ to make her the 27th cistern…
After the meeting was closed, Saleta admitted the reason she had not been involved, is she was afraid she couldn’t actually do the work required, she had never done this type of work before. This is why she had jumped at the chance of providing food, since that’s something she knows very well how to do! The others explained how easy it actually was & that she had to get over her fear & just start doing the work - & she’d soon realize how easy it is.
Next Assembly in Montecillo de Nieto 16.6.10 12pm at Kinder
8th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Where: Montecillo de Nieto Kindergarten
When: 05.05.10 12.20 – 1.20pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), 12 women & 1 man.
Purpose: Resolve Group 4 work issues
Meeting was called in answer to a request to help resolve working issues in Group 4. 2 women who are supposed to be part of the group are not working with the group, they simply came to see the work being done & then went home. The women who are working would like help to resolve this, & are suggesting another woman receive the materials of one of these women, since she is working with them of her own accord.
When we arrived the women were ready & waiting. They reported they have completed one cistern already, & it has water in it to stop it cracking, this water will be emptied before the rains, so to not contaminate the drinkable rain water.
Elena opened the discussions with a general description about growth, & not asking or relying on others, but taking responsibility for ones own actions, working in harmony & in peace to make success with your own hands…
The materials for just 3 of the 6 in the group have arrived, this is as planned, ie the first 3 cisterns need to be completed before the materials for the next 3 cisterns will be delivered.
Of the 2 women who have said to be not working, one was present & one came later during the meeting. The one woman attending said she could not work because her son was sick.
The other women in the group said they don’t mind if she receives the materials but they don’t intend to help her build her cistern, & they’re concerned this will create a precedent of others wanting to build their own cisterns without helping or co-operating in a group (one of the main objectives of this project is to learn to work in groups to solve issues).
The 2nd woman arrived, & discussion centred around responsibility & being part of a team.
There was a lot of discussion as to how to resolve this, whether the women should receive the materials or whether the materials be given to people who are working & prepared to work.
The woman with the sick son apparently is married to a “mason” who could help with the work of the cisterns. She would ask him.
A proposal was made - if the women demonstrate their motivation to make up for their lack of involvement, ie by bringing meals to the 3 families on the days she is unable to work, they will consider it..
Woman 1 with the sick son – Cruz Jimenez, will do extra work, ie her husband will help.
Woman 2 – Saleta - will provide food on Sat & Sun to the working party (breakfast & lunch), & will work with the group on Mon, Tues & Wed.
It was then raised that another woman – Consuelo Ramirez, had been working extra hard, despite not being on the list to receive materials for a cistern.
Laura suggested that since we are running slightly under budget there is enough $$ to make her the 27th cistern…
After the meeting was closed, Saleta admitted the reason she had not been involved, is she was afraid she couldn’t actually do the work required, she had never done this type of work before. This is why she had jumped at the chance of providing food, since that’s something she knows very well how to do! The others explained how easy it actually was & that she had to get over her fear & just start doing the work - & she’d soon realize how easy it is.
Next Assembly in Montecillo de Nieto 16.6.10 12pm at Kinder
Report of 1st visit to Tierra Blanca
Where: Tierra Blanca – courtyard beside old church, under big tree…
When: 05.05.10 2pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), Chela (Cedesa), 34 women, 7 men, 11kids, 7dogs
Purpose: We were invited to visit this community to talk about water issues.
Back ground:
Tierra Blanca backs onto Vivienda de Arriba & Cruz del Palmar. The community of Tierra Blanca has a large sapasma drilled community well which they share with Vivienda de Arriba & Espejo (approx. 30 families).
2 members of TB have attended assemblies in Los Torres & several have attended assemblies in Vivienda de Arriba, to ask about the possibility of having a water project in their community.
2 women were waiting under a tree on the road from Vivienda de Arriba, to show us the way to Tierra Blanca. We drove down the road past VdA & came to a dried river bed full of rocks, in one place there were several deep puddles, this is where we crossed.
Tierra Blanca lies right beside this (dried) river, called “Sandamien Rio” which is apparently the same river as San Marco, further down.
We were greeted by many women, & led to the courtyard beside the old church. There was a very big overhanging tree (shade) & a long concrete ledge (seat) for everyone in the community to sit on.
We were not able to make a circle in the shade, so sat with them on the long ledge & us in front of them on crates.
We all introduced ourselves, & Chela explained about Cedesa & Rotary, & their respective roles, as well as our collaboration.
She asked who was familiar with Los Torres (they all were), & with the project there – again a majority. She said many of them had come to the assembly in VdA & asked for us to visit this community. She asked who were invited to today’s assembly, they advised not all had been informed, just a 1st group to exchange information & see what it’s all about.
One of the comments “we like what Los Torres has, it’s very beautiful, maybe the water is bad here, there have been lots of illnesses & we’re not sure what’s causing it, maybe it is the water. People here have had a lot of lung cancer, starting with sore backs & with a short time, cancer & death, the latest death is a 22 yr old woman, she had pain her back & then was in her grave very quickly”
“we don’t have elders in this community, most people die young here”
We began to ask questions –
• There are approx. 120 families, & in the whole community only 8 people who are older than 70.
• One 70+ woman was at the assembly, she spoke & said the only reason she thinks she is still alive, is that she didn’t come from TB originally, she came here when she was 16, she said both her son & daughter (born in TB) are already dead.
• This has been a problem for 30 yrs or more.
Chela began to speak about bad food, as she looked around & saw many eating “cheetos” & drinking coca cola. They estimated they have had this food in the community for 20 or 30 yrs. It is cheap, light & easy to carry, & easy to access. They eat junk food because they say they don’t have the money for better food.
Chela asked if they eat it every day – “yes or every other day”. They sell it in the school & in all the tiendas (small shops),
Chela – It’s poinsonous – you know that right? “yes but we cant afford the other food”, “we don’t know better, it’s a way of life”, “it’s like an addiction, even if we don’t have the money, we ask for credit & buy it”. “the doctor said not to drink coke when you’re pregnant, but everyone does”
One of the women who has a tienda is obviously angry at Chela for telling her customers not to buy this food, “all communities consume coke, it’s not just this one!”.
This is just part of the problem…
There were more reports of illness & death.
“whole family disappeared, cancer or something”
“amputee uncle, at nopales, agua miel, ate well, but they all died of cancer, all her cousins, her mother died of a big bump in her stomach, they were drinking water from puddles”
“TB has had a well for 10 yrs now”
The tienda owner said “there is a big alcohol problem, & water problem, the whole community has the problem.”
Generally the community gets along well, & they even shake hands when they see eachother, “yes we fight, some agree with me, others don’t (again the tienda owner).
Chela talked about assemblies: they are very helpful for listening & speaking & analysing issues.
You must leave personal issues at home, & just talk about community issues at the assemblies.
We met Susanah (Concha from Los Torres’ s sister, Guillermo’s other daughter)
Chela asked if they would like us to help with the issue of early mortality – they all said yes…
She suggested we need to analyse the water first, although it is strange that the issue only appears to exist in Tierra Blanca yet there are 3 communities sharing the same water source…
We asked if they had taken this issue to the health authorities or asked for help from anyone on this.
They have mentioned it at the health clinic in Cruz del Palmar, & were told just to boil their water & add chlorine drops (if it is chemical poisoning, this will worsten the situation!), they also mentioned it to the teachers at the Cruz del Palmar secondaria school, the teachers were empathetic but couldn’t suggest anything.
Water talk.
We talked a little about the potential for a water cistern project, described what it involved & referred to Los Torres. Here are some general water facts from this community
Pimaria approx. 80 kids
Secondaria approx. 50 kids
Kinder approx. 25 kids
Community well, with metal piping to other houses in their community, + 2 other communities (VdA & Espejo),
Well is 10 yrs old
Well is approx. 150 mtrs deep
Water pumped to holding tank & then piped to households, sometimes it works in the morning sometimes in the afternoon
Some people have latrines, most do not & “just go in the wild”
Water is mostly clear & transparent in the lower parts of the community
Water in the higher up parts of the community is often yellow, probably piping problems
The tienda owner, does not have water as she chose not to participate in the sapasma program
(it was insisted that we go to Julia’s house for a snack - tostadas, lettuce, rice, beans)
While we were at Julia’s house they discussed that the whole community was built on an old Otomi burial ground. They said under parts of their house were ruins & graves, & that during the rains often bones & skulls were washed out on the hills.
They also talked about many years ago, people digging for “treasure” buried with the bones, & that pottery & jewellery was found & sold to antique shops in San Miguel. They felt remorse for this & thought it might be a reason for the illnesses.
Next Tierra Blanca meeting was scheduled for 2nd June at 2.30
When: 05.05.10 2pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), Chela (Cedesa), 34 women, 7 men, 11kids, 7dogs
Purpose: We were invited to visit this community to talk about water issues.
Back ground:
Tierra Blanca backs onto Vivienda de Arriba & Cruz del Palmar. The community of Tierra Blanca has a large sapasma drilled community well which they share with Vivienda de Arriba & Espejo (approx. 30 families).
2 members of TB have attended assemblies in Los Torres & several have attended assemblies in Vivienda de Arriba, to ask about the possibility of having a water project in their community.
2 women were waiting under a tree on the road from Vivienda de Arriba, to show us the way to Tierra Blanca. We drove down the road past VdA & came to a dried river bed full of rocks, in one place there were several deep puddles, this is where we crossed.
Tierra Blanca lies right beside this (dried) river, called “Sandamien Rio” which is apparently the same river as San Marco, further down.
We were greeted by many women, & led to the courtyard beside the old church. There was a very big overhanging tree (shade) & a long concrete ledge (seat) for everyone in the community to sit on.
We were not able to make a circle in the shade, so sat with them on the long ledge & us in front of them on crates.
We all introduced ourselves, & Chela explained about Cedesa & Rotary, & their respective roles, as well as our collaboration.
She asked who was familiar with Los Torres (they all were), & with the project there – again a majority. She said many of them had come to the assembly in VdA & asked for us to visit this community. She asked who were invited to today’s assembly, they advised not all had been informed, just a 1st group to exchange information & see what it’s all about.
One of the comments “we like what Los Torres has, it’s very beautiful, maybe the water is bad here, there have been lots of illnesses & we’re not sure what’s causing it, maybe it is the water. People here have had a lot of lung cancer, starting with sore backs & with a short time, cancer & death, the latest death is a 22 yr old woman, she had pain her back & then was in her grave very quickly”
“we don’t have elders in this community, most people die young here”
We began to ask questions –
• There are approx. 120 families, & in the whole community only 8 people who are older than 70.
• One 70+ woman was at the assembly, she spoke & said the only reason she thinks she is still alive, is that she didn’t come from TB originally, she came here when she was 16, she said both her son & daughter (born in TB) are already dead.
• This has been a problem for 30 yrs or more.
Chela began to speak about bad food, as she looked around & saw many eating “cheetos” & drinking coca cola. They estimated they have had this food in the community for 20 or 30 yrs. It is cheap, light & easy to carry, & easy to access. They eat junk food because they say they don’t have the money for better food.
Chela asked if they eat it every day – “yes or every other day”. They sell it in the school & in all the tiendas (small shops),
Chela – It’s poinsonous – you know that right? “yes but we cant afford the other food”, “we don’t know better, it’s a way of life”, “it’s like an addiction, even if we don’t have the money, we ask for credit & buy it”. “the doctor said not to drink coke when you’re pregnant, but everyone does”
One of the women who has a tienda is obviously angry at Chela for telling her customers not to buy this food, “all communities consume coke, it’s not just this one!”.
This is just part of the problem…
There were more reports of illness & death.
“whole family disappeared, cancer or something”
“amputee uncle, at nopales, agua miel, ate well, but they all died of cancer, all her cousins, her mother died of a big bump in her stomach, they were drinking water from puddles”
“TB has had a well for 10 yrs now”
The tienda owner said “there is a big alcohol problem, & water problem, the whole community has the problem.”
Generally the community gets along well, & they even shake hands when they see eachother, “yes we fight, some agree with me, others don’t (again the tienda owner).
Chela talked about assemblies: they are very helpful for listening & speaking & analysing issues.
You must leave personal issues at home, & just talk about community issues at the assemblies.
We met Susanah (Concha from Los Torres’ s sister, Guillermo’s other daughter)
Chela asked if they would like us to help with the issue of early mortality – they all said yes…
She suggested we need to analyse the water first, although it is strange that the issue only appears to exist in Tierra Blanca yet there are 3 communities sharing the same water source…
We asked if they had taken this issue to the health authorities or asked for help from anyone on this.
They have mentioned it at the health clinic in Cruz del Palmar, & were told just to boil their water & add chlorine drops (if it is chemical poisoning, this will worsten the situation!), they also mentioned it to the teachers at the Cruz del Palmar secondaria school, the teachers were empathetic but couldn’t suggest anything.
Water talk.
We talked a little about the potential for a water cistern project, described what it involved & referred to Los Torres. Here are some general water facts from this community
Pimaria approx. 80 kids
Secondaria approx. 50 kids
Kinder approx. 25 kids
Community well, with metal piping to other houses in their community, + 2 other communities (VdA & Espejo),
Well is 10 yrs old
Well is approx. 150 mtrs deep
Water pumped to holding tank & then piped to households, sometimes it works in the morning sometimes in the afternoon
Some people have latrines, most do not & “just go in the wild”
Water is mostly clear & transparent in the lower parts of the community
Water in the higher up parts of the community is often yellow, probably piping problems
The tienda owner, does not have water as she chose not to participate in the sapasma program
(it was insisted that we go to Julia’s house for a snack - tostadas, lettuce, rice, beans)
While we were at Julia’s house they discussed that the whole community was built on an old Otomi burial ground. They said under parts of their house were ruins & graves, & that during the rains often bones & skulls were washed out on the hills.
They also talked about many years ago, people digging for “treasure” buried with the bones, & that pottery & jewellery was found & sold to antique shops in San Miguel. They felt remorse for this & thought it might be a reason for the illnesses.
Next Tierra Blanca meeting was scheduled for 2nd June at 2.30
Wednesday, April 28, 2010
38th Event of the SMA Midday Rotary Water Project Los Torres
Record of Event pg 1 of 2
38th Event of the SMA Midday Rotary Water Project Los Torres
Where: Los Torres Chucha’s house
When: Wed 28th April 12pm – 2.20
Who: Holly, (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary), & 27 adults (including 6 men)
Chela could not make the assembly today, so Holly & I went alone.
Purpose:
Planning for the Phase III cisterns construction project & general community assembly.
The meeting:
We arrived at 12pm & it took 15mins for set up & prelim discussion.
The discussion centred around the delivery of the first lot of materials for the 1st half of the project.
Talego (our new supplier) had against our instructions, delivered the materials to one location.
This was very inconvenient for the participants since the delivery was to a house in the lower community & the women had to borrow donkeys & wheel barrows to move the cement from the lower community to their houses.
We apologised for this & explained we had instructed the deliveries to be house by house & this was an error.
We also had instructed the wire & chicken wire to be delivered first, as they were needed first.
Meeting call to order: Holly asked who would be co-ordinator & who would take records for this meeting?
Alejandro was voted co-ordinator & Mariana to take records
The roll/list of names was passed while Alejandro called for items for the agenda.
There was a discussion as one person was supposedly representing 2 people who were absent, the members all agreed, one person can only represent one person, not multiples. She was asked to decide who…
There was alco a comment about no excuse for not knowing the date of the assemblies as they are always on the 4th Wednesday of the month for the community of Los Torres. They only need to be advised if there is a change to this…It’s up to everyone to remember.
Agenda
1. Attendance at assemblies
2. Cisterns – 3rd phase
3. Materials – groups.
Attendance – This item had basically been dispensed with during the passing of the list (roll call).
Cisterns – 3rd phase review
Group 1 – Alejandro is the leader.
There are 7 people in this group & 2 people are not able to participate.
Lucia’s daughter in law & Lucia, are sick & only her son can work for them. He is working fulltme & so can only participate on weekends.
Gonzalo Alvarado, can also only work on weekends.
After much discussion, it was decided that a sub group of group 1, Gonzalo, Piedad & Marcelino would all work together, & on weekends.
The other 4 would start Monday.
Record of Event pg 2 of 2
Group 2
Also 7 people in this group.
A work strategy was discussed for a long time, some can work during the week, others only at nights & weekends, husbands mostly at nights only – to do the plastering.
The first 3 in this group will work every day, & the others will join in when the materials arrive.
Group 3
There are also 7 in this group. After much discussion, they essentially split into 2 sub groups. Two of the women come from very large families & want to do their cisterns separately. We explained all are responsible for people in their group…
The 3 tinacos (plastic water tanks) included in this phase are for the elderly, each group was given responsibility to ensure the installation of the tinaco for these folk.
Jose Alvarado Group 1
Consuelo Huerta Group 2
Alejandro Gonzalez Group 3
Laura needs to have a list of the variable materials required for the 3 plastic tanks. (Guillermo to co-ordinate this – someone will need to inform him since he is not at the meeting).
It was agreed the people in charge of each group MUST ensure all of the cisterns are completed or assist & get it done, with help from others.
The materials for the remainder of the people from each group, will be delivered once all of the first cisterns are completed.
Ie, 3 cisterns from each group for the first round, then the balance of the 12 remaining cisterns will be constructed.
Extra point raised
The Road
The community have stated in many previous meetings they wish to resolve the issue of the very bad access road to their community.
It was previously thought Luci Nunez (the mayor of San Miguel) wanted to visit Los Torres to view the project, since then, she has instead set up meetings with the parties involved (Rotary, Cedesa, Sapasma, Ecology & Social Development) & has declined the continued invitations to visit the communities first hand.
This has been a little embarrassing as we were led to believe she was coming & the communities had geared up for that.
The question was put to community members “do you still want Luci to visit your community?” & the answer was a resounding yes!
Homework was assigned to the community
1. The mini commission is to write an invitation to Luci
2. Write a report on the cisterns (ie benefits, the project, process, description)
3. Write up a “solicitud” application for repairs to the road.
Next assembly will be 26th May 2010 at 12 pm
38th Event of the SMA Midday Rotary Water Project Los Torres
Where: Los Torres Chucha’s house
When: Wed 28th April 12pm – 2.20
Who: Holly, (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary), & 27 adults (including 6 men)
Chela could not make the assembly today, so Holly & I went alone.
Purpose:
Planning for the Phase III cisterns construction project & general community assembly.
The meeting:
We arrived at 12pm & it took 15mins for set up & prelim discussion.
The discussion centred around the delivery of the first lot of materials for the 1st half of the project.
Talego (our new supplier) had against our instructions, delivered the materials to one location.
This was very inconvenient for the participants since the delivery was to a house in the lower community & the women had to borrow donkeys & wheel barrows to move the cement from the lower community to their houses.
We apologised for this & explained we had instructed the deliveries to be house by house & this was an error.
We also had instructed the wire & chicken wire to be delivered first, as they were needed first.
Meeting call to order: Holly asked who would be co-ordinator & who would take records for this meeting?
Alejandro was voted co-ordinator & Mariana to take records
The roll/list of names was passed while Alejandro called for items for the agenda.
There was a discussion as one person was supposedly representing 2 people who were absent, the members all agreed, one person can only represent one person, not multiples. She was asked to decide who…
There was alco a comment about no excuse for not knowing the date of the assemblies as they are always on the 4th Wednesday of the month for the community of Los Torres. They only need to be advised if there is a change to this…It’s up to everyone to remember.
Agenda
1. Attendance at assemblies
2. Cisterns – 3rd phase
3. Materials – groups.
Attendance – This item had basically been dispensed with during the passing of the list (roll call).
Cisterns – 3rd phase review
Group 1 – Alejandro is the leader.
There are 7 people in this group & 2 people are not able to participate.
Lucia’s daughter in law & Lucia, are sick & only her son can work for them. He is working fulltme & so can only participate on weekends.
Gonzalo Alvarado, can also only work on weekends.
After much discussion, it was decided that a sub group of group 1, Gonzalo, Piedad & Marcelino would all work together, & on weekends.
The other 4 would start Monday.
Record of Event pg 2 of 2
Group 2
Also 7 people in this group.
A work strategy was discussed for a long time, some can work during the week, others only at nights & weekends, husbands mostly at nights only – to do the plastering.
The first 3 in this group will work every day, & the others will join in when the materials arrive.
Group 3
There are also 7 in this group. After much discussion, they essentially split into 2 sub groups. Two of the women come from very large families & want to do their cisterns separately. We explained all are responsible for people in their group…
The 3 tinacos (plastic water tanks) included in this phase are for the elderly, each group was given responsibility to ensure the installation of the tinaco for these folk.
Jose Alvarado Group 1
Consuelo Huerta Group 2
Alejandro Gonzalez Group 3
Laura needs to have a list of the variable materials required for the 3 plastic tanks. (Guillermo to co-ordinate this – someone will need to inform him since he is not at the meeting).
It was agreed the people in charge of each group MUST ensure all of the cisterns are completed or assist & get it done, with help from others.
The materials for the remainder of the people from each group, will be delivered once all of the first cisterns are completed.
Ie, 3 cisterns from each group for the first round, then the balance of the 12 remaining cisterns will be constructed.
Extra point raised
The Road
The community have stated in many previous meetings they wish to resolve the issue of the very bad access road to their community.
It was previously thought Luci Nunez (the mayor of San Miguel) wanted to visit Los Torres to view the project, since then, she has instead set up meetings with the parties involved (Rotary, Cedesa, Sapasma, Ecology & Social Development) & has declined the continued invitations to visit the communities first hand.
This has been a little embarrassing as we were led to believe she was coming & the communities had geared up for that.
The question was put to community members “do you still want Luci to visit your community?” & the answer was a resounding yes!
Homework was assigned to the community
1. The mini commission is to write an invitation to Luci
2. Write a report on the cisterns (ie benefits, the project, process, description)
3. Write up a “solicitud” application for repairs to the road.
Next assembly will be 26th May 2010 at 12 pm
Wednesday, April 21, 2010
7th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Record of Event pg 1 of 3
7th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Where: Montecillo de Nieto Kindergarten
When: 21.4.2010 12.15 – 2pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), Chela (Cedesa), 19women, 2 men, 8 kids & 2 dogs!
Purpose: Planning of the next phase – ie individual cisterns per families.
Item 1 – Co-ordinator, note taker
Eva was nominated with Margarita taking notes...Margarita was happy to say she remembered the book this time!
Roll was called
Chela prompted Eva to ask her fellow attendees for items for today’s agenda...
Agenda items
1. Who is missing materials
2. Plan the work schedule
3. What to do with those not participating
4. Revision of the work groups
5. Opinions & suggestions
6. Training days in Los Torres (traspatios, backyard production)
7. General
Item 1 – who is missing materials
The crowd was disturbed that only cement, sand & cal has been delivered so far. They are ready for work but are waiting for the balance of the materials.
I explained that Talego had been appointed the new supplier, & they were working hard to get the materials to them. Talego had said all would be delivered Sat, Mon & Tues..
I asked Elena to call Talego while we were in the meeting. She spoke to Fernanda (the daughter of the owner) & impressed upon her the importance of receiving the materials asap. Fernanda said the rest of the materials would be delivered in 2 hours by Rutilio (the owner himself).
Item 2 – planning the work schedule
Chela asked what the benefit of working in groups was called, & various terms were mentioned, including solidarity, & mutual work groups.
They agreed that each group would work on the first 3 cisterns in their group, complete those & move onto the next 3.
Chela asked if everyone agreed – all said yes.
They were asked if they all knew how to do the work – some said they had forgotten, & I mentioned Rafael (the LT technician) is available to assist for 1 day of troubleshooting for each group. Hence they could call on him to come one day & visit all groups, at each stage of construction, or however they chose.
After some prodding they agreed they probably did know how to do it, but felt a little under confident.
Gaston said he knew the process & I lent him the copy of the Cedesa Cistern construction booklet as a refresher.
They have Rafael’s contact details & will co-ordinate with him. They were clear on the 1 day per group allowance...
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
There was then discussion on which day to begin the work, at which time Elena suggested calling Talego again, to confirm absolutely their commitment to the delivery of the rest of the materials.
We called again, this time Elena then Chela spoke to Rutilio, the owner, who said all but one of the products was able to be delivered today, but they were waiting on one type of wire from San Luis Potosi, & that all should be delivered in fact by Friday latest.
The groups then decided best to start work on Monday 26th April, to be certain all materials were received. Incidentally, the MdN primary school is closed & kids off school, on Thurs & Friday, so not so easy to start while they are off school anyway.
There was discussion about the start time each day, Group 1 was asked first, but couldn’t decide, it took more than 5 mins with no answer, Elena & I had been sitting next to Gaston, & prompting him for answers, Elena quickly & quietly asked Gaston what time Group 3 wanted to start & he was very decisive with his response of 9am, with that Chela asked the rest of the groups, “so do you want to start work at 9am too?” all agreed except group 2, they will start at 1pm (?!).
Group1 – Margarita, Eva, Cacilda, Blanca, Michaela, Irene start 26/4 9am
Group 2 - Carmen, Nanci, Baseliza, Leonor V, Secundino, Victoria Start 26/4 1pm
Group 3 – Gaston, Aurelia, Enedina, Leonor R, Soledad, Hermilinda Start 26/4 9am
Group 4 – Griselda, Ma Elena, Lorena, Ma Cruz, Alicia, Saleta Start 26/4 9am
Eva will call Rafa & ask if he is able to come to MdN on Monday, & then they will have 3 more days of his assistance at their disposal.
They estimate it will take about 3 wks for each group to complete all 3 cisterns. So should have them completed by the next assembly.
Steps are
Crocheting
Putting the cylinder in place & leveling it.
Husbands will help in the afternoons. (chela said it’s still daylight at 10pm)
With one month to complete all the first lot of cisterns do you think you can do it? They all answered SI!!
Item 3 – what to do with people not participating
There are 2 people that have not been attending meetings.
1 without any excuse is Victoria.
The community would like to know what to do about Victoria.
Sand has been delivered to her.
Gaston suggested visiting her, asking why she´s not coming & if she´s still interested si or no…if no we should give it to someone else.
Another commented “she should show up, we shouldn´t have to chase her.”
Someone else suggested we give her cistern to someone else.
Chela pulled the conversation back to – do you think Victoria is entitle to a cistern si or no?
“if we leave her out of the project it will be an example to others, participate or you´re out!”
It was to be a decision of the whole group, so each person was questioned in turn, & each in turn said, si, she should be removed from the list, then one woman said she had spoken with Victoria who had said she wasn´t interested (we wished she´d spoken first!), so all voted, remove her from the list.
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Victoria was in Group 2.
The new person in group 2 was decided – Alejandro Garcia, has a family of 6 or 7, from Los Torres originally, have lived in MdN for 3 yrs.
Item 4. Revision of work groups (completed above)
Item 5. Opinions & suggestions
(not really discussed as a separate topic.
Item 6 Traspastios (back yard production) workshops
Benigno from Cedesa has been going to Los Torres on 1st Wednesday of the month, for 2 months. The MdN community was invited but through a series of miscommunications have not been attending. Chela asked who was interested, & suggested Benigno could stop in MdN on his way to Los Torres for a couple of hours each month.
She reiterated, this is for free, Cedesa are not paid for this, & are happy to do it but only if the people are motivated to attend & learn & put the methods into practice. There needs to be a group of more than 10 to be worthwhile driving all the way from Dolores Hidalgo.
People volunteered, Leonor R, Lorena, Vaselisa, Leonor V, Aurelia, Micaela, Ma Elena, Ma Cruz, Griselda, Eva, Hermelinda & Enedina.
Chela will check with Benigno & advise MdN next month.
Item 7 General
What´s pending apart from materials…
Will need to move the sand from Victoria´s to Alejandro & advise them both.
Doors are in production & will be delivered (once the ordered “niples” have arrived & I deliver them the door guy).
Info – there are approx 60-70 families in MdN.
Rafa has the list of the balance of the measurements for the 2nd delivery of the final 13 cisterns in the project. That needs to be given to Laura to place the next variables order.
Next assembly 19.5.10 at 12pm
Ma Elena is excused – she has a doctor´s appt, she jokingly asked that they don´t give her cistern away since she wont be attending the assembly, everyone had a good laugh.
Next Assembly in Montecillo de Nieto 19 May 12pm at Kinder
Report respectfully submitted by Laura Stewart
7th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Where: Montecillo de Nieto Kindergarten
When: 21.4.2010 12.15 – 2pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), Chela (Cedesa), 19women, 2 men, 8 kids & 2 dogs!
Purpose: Planning of the next phase – ie individual cisterns per families.
Item 1 – Co-ordinator, note taker
Eva was nominated with Margarita taking notes...Margarita was happy to say she remembered the book this time!
Roll was called
Chela prompted Eva to ask her fellow attendees for items for today’s agenda...
Agenda items
1. Who is missing materials
2. Plan the work schedule
3. What to do with those not participating
4. Revision of the work groups
5. Opinions & suggestions
6. Training days in Los Torres (traspatios, backyard production)
7. General
Item 1 – who is missing materials
The crowd was disturbed that only cement, sand & cal has been delivered so far. They are ready for work but are waiting for the balance of the materials.
I explained that Talego had been appointed the new supplier, & they were working hard to get the materials to them. Talego had said all would be delivered Sat, Mon & Tues..
I asked Elena to call Talego while we were in the meeting. She spoke to Fernanda (the daughter of the owner) & impressed upon her the importance of receiving the materials asap. Fernanda said the rest of the materials would be delivered in 2 hours by Rutilio (the owner himself).
Item 2 – planning the work schedule
Chela asked what the benefit of working in groups was called, & various terms were mentioned, including solidarity, & mutual work groups.
They agreed that each group would work on the first 3 cisterns in their group, complete those & move onto the next 3.
Chela asked if everyone agreed – all said yes.
They were asked if they all knew how to do the work – some said they had forgotten, & I mentioned Rafael (the LT technician) is available to assist for 1 day of troubleshooting for each group. Hence they could call on him to come one day & visit all groups, at each stage of construction, or however they chose.
After some prodding they agreed they probably did know how to do it, but felt a little under confident.
Gaston said he knew the process & I lent him the copy of the Cedesa Cistern construction booklet as a refresher.
They have Rafael’s contact details & will co-ordinate with him. They were clear on the 1 day per group allowance...
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
There was then discussion on which day to begin the work, at which time Elena suggested calling Talego again, to confirm absolutely their commitment to the delivery of the rest of the materials.
We called again, this time Elena then Chela spoke to Rutilio, the owner, who said all but one of the products was able to be delivered today, but they were waiting on one type of wire from San Luis Potosi, & that all should be delivered in fact by Friday latest.
The groups then decided best to start work on Monday 26th April, to be certain all materials were received. Incidentally, the MdN primary school is closed & kids off school, on Thurs & Friday, so not so easy to start while they are off school anyway.
There was discussion about the start time each day, Group 1 was asked first, but couldn’t decide, it took more than 5 mins with no answer, Elena & I had been sitting next to Gaston, & prompting him for answers, Elena quickly & quietly asked Gaston what time Group 3 wanted to start & he was very decisive with his response of 9am, with that Chela asked the rest of the groups, “so do you want to start work at 9am too?” all agreed except group 2, they will start at 1pm (?!).
Group1 – Margarita, Eva, Cacilda, Blanca, Michaela, Irene start 26/4 9am
Group 2 - Carmen, Nanci, Baseliza, Leonor V, Secundino, Victoria Start 26/4 1pm
Group 3 – Gaston, Aurelia, Enedina, Leonor R, Soledad, Hermilinda Start 26/4 9am
Group 4 – Griselda, Ma Elena, Lorena, Ma Cruz, Alicia, Saleta Start 26/4 9am
Eva will call Rafa & ask if he is able to come to MdN on Monday, & then they will have 3 more days of his assistance at their disposal.
They estimate it will take about 3 wks for each group to complete all 3 cisterns. So should have them completed by the next assembly.
Steps are
Crocheting
Putting the cylinder in place & leveling it.
Husbands will help in the afternoons. (chela said it’s still daylight at 10pm)
With one month to complete all the first lot of cisterns do you think you can do it? They all answered SI!!
Item 3 – what to do with people not participating
There are 2 people that have not been attending meetings.
1 without any excuse is Victoria.
The community would like to know what to do about Victoria.
Sand has been delivered to her.
Gaston suggested visiting her, asking why she´s not coming & if she´s still interested si or no…if no we should give it to someone else.
Another commented “she should show up, we shouldn´t have to chase her.”
Someone else suggested we give her cistern to someone else.
Chela pulled the conversation back to – do you think Victoria is entitle to a cistern si or no?
“if we leave her out of the project it will be an example to others, participate or you´re out!”
It was to be a decision of the whole group, so each person was questioned in turn, & each in turn said, si, she should be removed from the list, then one woman said she had spoken with Victoria who had said she wasn´t interested (we wished she´d spoken first!), so all voted, remove her from the list.
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Victoria was in Group 2.
The new person in group 2 was decided – Alejandro Garcia, has a family of 6 or 7, from Los Torres originally, have lived in MdN for 3 yrs.
Item 4. Revision of work groups (completed above)
Item 5. Opinions & suggestions
(not really discussed as a separate topic.
Item 6 Traspastios (back yard production) workshops
Benigno from Cedesa has been going to Los Torres on 1st Wednesday of the month, for 2 months. The MdN community was invited but through a series of miscommunications have not been attending. Chela asked who was interested, & suggested Benigno could stop in MdN on his way to Los Torres for a couple of hours each month.
She reiterated, this is for free, Cedesa are not paid for this, & are happy to do it but only if the people are motivated to attend & learn & put the methods into practice. There needs to be a group of more than 10 to be worthwhile driving all the way from Dolores Hidalgo.
People volunteered, Leonor R, Lorena, Vaselisa, Leonor V, Aurelia, Micaela, Ma Elena, Ma Cruz, Griselda, Eva, Hermelinda & Enedina.
Chela will check with Benigno & advise MdN next month.
Item 7 General
What´s pending apart from materials…
Will need to move the sand from Victoria´s to Alejandro & advise them both.
Doors are in production & will be delivered (once the ordered “niples” have arrived & I deliver them the door guy).
Info – there are approx 60-70 families in MdN.
Rafa has the list of the balance of the measurements for the 2nd delivery of the final 13 cisterns in the project. That needs to be given to Laura to place the next variables order.
Next assembly 19.5.10 at 12pm
Ma Elena is excused – she has a doctor´s appt, she jokingly asked that they don´t give her cistern away since she wont be attending the assembly, everyone had a good laugh.
Next Assembly in Montecillo de Nieto 19 May 12pm at Kinder
Report respectfully submitted by Laura Stewart
7th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Record of Event pg 1 of 3
7th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Where: Montecillo de Nieto Kindergarten
When: 21.4.2010 12.15 – 2pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), Chela (Cedesa), 19women, 2 men, 8 kids & 2 dogs!
Purpose: Planning of the next phase – ie individual cisterns per families.
Item 1 – Co-ordinator, note taker
Eva was nominated with Margarita taking notes...Margarita was happy to say she remembered the book this time!
Roll was called
Chela prompted Eva to ask her fellow attendees for items for today’s agenda...
Agenda items
1. Who is missing materials
2. Plan the work schedule
3. What to do with those not participating
4. Revision of the work groups
5. Opinions & suggestions
6. Training days in Los Torres (traspatios, backyard production)
7. General
Item 1 – who is missing materials
The crowd was disturbed that only cement, sand & cal has been delivered so far. They are ready for work but are waiting for the balance of the materials.
I explained that Talego had been appointed the new supplier, & they were working hard to get the materials to them. Talego had said all would be delivered Sat, Mon & Tues..
I asked Elena to call Talego while we were in the meeting. She spoke to Fernanda (the daughter of the owner) & impressed upon her the importance of receiving the materials asap. Fernanda said the rest of the materials would be delivered in 2 hours by Rutilio (the owner himself).
Item 2 – planning the work schedule
Chela asked what the benefit of working in groups was called, & various terms were mentioned, including solidarity, & mutual work groups.
They agreed that each group would work on the first 3 cisterns in their group, complete those & move onto the next 3.
Chela asked if everyone agreed – all said yes.
They were asked if they all knew how to do the work – some said they had forgotten, & I mentioned Rafael (the LT technician) is available to assist for 1 day of troubleshooting for each group. Hence they could call on him to come one day & visit all groups, at each stage of construction, or however they chose.
After some prodding they agreed they probably did know how to do it, but felt a little under confident.
Gaston said he knew the process & I lent him the copy of the Cedesa Cistern construction booklet as a refresher.
They have Rafael’s contact details & will co-ordinate with him. They were clear on the 1 day per group allowance...
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
There was then discussion on which day to begin the work, at which time Elena suggested calling Talego again, to confirm absolutely their commitment to the delivery of the rest of the materials.
We called again, this time Elena then Chela spoke to Rutilio, the owner, who said all but one of the products was able to be delivered today, but they were waiting on one type of wire from San Luis Potosi, & that all should be delivered in fact by Friday latest.
The groups then decided best to start work on Monday 26th April, to be certain all materials were received. Incidentally, the MdN primary school is closed & kids off school, on Thurs & Friday, so not so easy to start while they are off school anyway.
There was discussion about the start time each day, Group 1 was asked first, but couldn’t decide, it took more than 5 mins with no answer, Elena & I had been sitting next to Gaston, & prompting him for answers, Elena quickly & quietly asked Gaston what time Group 3 wanted to start & he was very decisive with his response of 9am, with that Chela asked the rest of the groups, “so do you want to start work at 9am too?” all agreed except group 2, they will start at 1pm (?!).
Group1 – Margarita, Eva, Cacilda, Blanca, Michaela, Irene start 26/4 9am
Group 2 - Carmen, Nanci, Baseliza, Leonor V, Secundino, Victoria Start 26/4 1pm
Group 3 – Gaston, Aurelia, Enedina, Leonor R, Soledad, Hermilinda Start 26/4 9am
Group 4 – Griselda, Ma Elena, Lorena, Ma Cruz, Alicia, Saleta Start 26/4 9am
Eva will call Rafa & ask if he is able to come to MdN on Monday, & then they will have 3 more days of his assistance at their disposal.
They estimate it will take about 3 wks for each group to complete all 3 cisterns. So should have them completed by the next assembly.
Steps are
Crocheting
Putting the cylinder in place & leveling it.
Husbands will help in the afternoons. (chela said it’s still daylight at 10pm)
With one month to complete all the first lot of cisterns do you think you can do it? They all answered SI!!
Item 3 – what to do with people not participating
There are 2 people that have not been attending meetings.
1 without any excuse is Victoria.
The community would like to know what to do about Victoria.
Sand has been delivered to her.
Gaston suggested visiting her, asking why she´s not coming & if she´s still interested si or no…if no we should give it to someone else.
Another commented “she should show up, we shouldn´t have to chase her.”
Someone else suggested we give her cistern to someone else.
Chela pulled the conversation back to – do you think Victoria is entitle to a cistern si or no?
“if we leave her out of the project it will be an example to others, participate or you´re out!”
It was to be a decision of the whole group, so each person was questioned in turn, & each in turn said, si, she should be removed from the list, then one woman said she had spoken with Victoria who had said she wasn´t interested (we wished she´d spoken first!), so all voted, remove her from the list.
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Victoria was in Group 2.
The new person in group 2 was decided – Alejandro Garcia, has a family of 6 or 7, from Los Torres originally, have lived in MdN for 3 yrs.
Item 4. Revision of work groups (completed above)
Item 5. Opinions & suggestions
(not really discussed as a separate topic.
Item 6 Traspastios (back yard production) workshops
Benigno from Cedesa has been going to Los Torres on 1st Wednesday of the month, for 2 months. The MdN community was invited but through a series of miscommunications have not been attending. Chela asked who was interested, & suggested Benigno could stop in MdN on his way to Los Torres for a couple of hours each month.
She reiterated, this is for free, Cedesa are not paid for this, & are happy to do it but only if the people are motivated to attend & learn & put the methods into practice. There needs to be a group of more than 10 to be worthwhile driving all the way from Dolores Hidalgo.
People volunteered, Leonor R, Lorena, Vaselisa, Leonor V, Aurelia, Micaela, Ma Elena, Ma Cruz, Griselda, Eva, Hermelinda & Enedina.
Chela will check with Benigno & advise MdN next month.
Item 7 General
What´s pending apart from materials…
Will need to move the sand from Victoria´s to Alejandro & advise them both.
Doors are in production & will be delivered (once the ordered “niples” have arrived & I deliver them the door guy).
Info – there are approx 60-70 families in MdN.
Rafa has the list of the balance of the measurements for the 2nd delivery of the final 13 cisterns in the project. That needs to be given to Laura to place the next variables order.
Next assembly 19.5.10 at 12pm
Ma Elena is excused – she has a doctor´s appt, she jokingly asked that they don´t give her cistern away since she wont be attending the assembly, everyone had a good laugh.
Next Assembly in Montecillo de Nieto 21 April 12pm at Kinder
Report respectfully submitted by Laura Stewart
7th report of the SMA Midday Rotary Montecillo de Nieto Water Project
Where: Montecillo de Nieto Kindergarten
When: 21.4.2010 12.15 – 2pm
Who: Elena & Laura (Rotary), Chela (Cedesa), 19women, 2 men, 8 kids & 2 dogs!
Purpose: Planning of the next phase – ie individual cisterns per families.
Item 1 – Co-ordinator, note taker
Eva was nominated with Margarita taking notes...Margarita was happy to say she remembered the book this time!
Roll was called
Chela prompted Eva to ask her fellow attendees for items for today’s agenda...
Agenda items
1. Who is missing materials
2. Plan the work schedule
3. What to do with those not participating
4. Revision of the work groups
5. Opinions & suggestions
6. Training days in Los Torres (traspatios, backyard production)
7. General
Item 1 – who is missing materials
The crowd was disturbed that only cement, sand & cal has been delivered so far. They are ready for work but are waiting for the balance of the materials.
I explained that Talego had been appointed the new supplier, & they were working hard to get the materials to them. Talego had said all would be delivered Sat, Mon & Tues..
I asked Elena to call Talego while we were in the meeting. She spoke to Fernanda (the daughter of the owner) & impressed upon her the importance of receiving the materials asap. Fernanda said the rest of the materials would be delivered in 2 hours by Rutilio (the owner himself).
Item 2 – planning the work schedule
Chela asked what the benefit of working in groups was called, & various terms were mentioned, including solidarity, & mutual work groups.
They agreed that each group would work on the first 3 cisterns in their group, complete those & move onto the next 3.
Chela asked if everyone agreed – all said yes.
They were asked if they all knew how to do the work – some said they had forgotten, & I mentioned Rafael (the LT technician) is available to assist for 1 day of troubleshooting for each group. Hence they could call on him to come one day & visit all groups, at each stage of construction, or however they chose.
After some prodding they agreed they probably did know how to do it, but felt a little under confident.
Gaston said he knew the process & I lent him the copy of the Cedesa Cistern construction booklet as a refresher.
They have Rafael’s contact details & will co-ordinate with him. They were clear on the 1 day per group allowance...
Record of Event pg 2 of 3
There was then discussion on which day to begin the work, at which time Elena suggested calling Talego again, to confirm absolutely their commitment to the delivery of the rest of the materials.
We called again, this time Elena then Chela spoke to Rutilio, the owner, who said all but one of the products was able to be delivered today, but they were waiting on one type of wire from San Luis Potosi, & that all should be delivered in fact by Friday latest.
The groups then decided best to start work on Monday 26th April, to be certain all materials were received. Incidentally, the MdN primary school is closed & kids off school, on Thurs & Friday, so not so easy to start while they are off school anyway.
There was discussion about the start time each day, Group 1 was asked first, but couldn’t decide, it took more than 5 mins with no answer, Elena & I had been sitting next to Gaston, & prompting him for answers, Elena quickly & quietly asked Gaston what time Group 3 wanted to start & he was very decisive with his response of 9am, with that Chela asked the rest of the groups, “so do you want to start work at 9am too?” all agreed except group 2, they will start at 1pm (?!).
Group1 – Margarita, Eva, Cacilda, Blanca, Michaela, Irene start 26/4 9am
Group 2 - Carmen, Nanci, Baseliza, Leonor V, Secundino, Victoria Start 26/4 1pm
Group 3 – Gaston, Aurelia, Enedina, Leonor R, Soledad, Hermilinda Start 26/4 9am
Group 4 – Griselda, Ma Elena, Lorena, Ma Cruz, Alicia, Saleta Start 26/4 9am
Eva will call Rafa & ask if he is able to come to MdN on Monday, & then they will have 3 more days of his assistance at their disposal.
They estimate it will take about 3 wks for each group to complete all 3 cisterns. So should have them completed by the next assembly.
Steps are
Crocheting
Putting the cylinder in place & leveling it.
Husbands will help in the afternoons. (chela said it’s still daylight at 10pm)
With one month to complete all the first lot of cisterns do you think you can do it? They all answered SI!!
Item 3 – what to do with people not participating
There are 2 people that have not been attending meetings.
1 without any excuse is Victoria.
The community would like to know what to do about Victoria.
Sand has been delivered to her.
Gaston suggested visiting her, asking why she´s not coming & if she´s still interested si or no…if no we should give it to someone else.
Another commented “she should show up, we shouldn´t have to chase her.”
Someone else suggested we give her cistern to someone else.
Chela pulled the conversation back to – do you think Victoria is entitle to a cistern si or no?
“if we leave her out of the project it will be an example to others, participate or you´re out!”
It was to be a decision of the whole group, so each person was questioned in turn, & each in turn said, si, she should be removed from the list, then one woman said she had spoken with Victoria who had said she wasn´t interested (we wished she´d spoken first!), so all voted, remove her from the list.
Record of Event pg 3 of 3
Victoria was in Group 2.
The new person in group 2 was decided – Alejandro Garcia, has a family of 6 or 7, from Los Torres originally, have lived in MdN for 3 yrs.
Item 4. Revision of work groups (completed above)
Item 5. Opinions & suggestions
(not really discussed as a separate topic.
Item 6 Traspastios (back yard production) workshops
Benigno from Cedesa has been going to Los Torres on 1st Wednesday of the month, for 2 months. The MdN community was invited but through a series of miscommunications have not been attending. Chela asked who was interested, & suggested Benigno could stop in MdN on his way to Los Torres for a couple of hours each month.
She reiterated, this is for free, Cedesa are not paid for this, & are happy to do it but only if the people are motivated to attend & learn & put the methods into practice. There needs to be a group of more than 10 to be worthwhile driving all the way from Dolores Hidalgo.
People volunteered, Leonor R, Lorena, Vaselisa, Leonor V, Aurelia, Micaela, Ma Elena, Ma Cruz, Griselda, Eva, Hermelinda & Enedina.
Chela will check with Benigno & advise MdN next month.
Item 7 General
What´s pending apart from materials…
Will need to move the sand from Victoria´s to Alejandro & advise them both.
Doors are in production & will be delivered (once the ordered “niples” have arrived & I deliver them the door guy).
Info – there are approx 60-70 families in MdN.
Rafa has the list of the balance of the measurements for the 2nd delivery of the final 13 cisterns in the project. That needs to be given to Laura to place the next variables order.
Next assembly 19.5.10 at 12pm
Ma Elena is excused – she has a doctor´s appt, she jokingly asked that they don´t give her cistern away since she wont be attending the assembly, everyone had a good laugh.
Next Assembly in Montecillo de Nieto 21 April 12pm at Kinder
Report respectfully submitted by Laura Stewart
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