9th Regional Event of the Communities requesting assistance with water

Record of Event

Where: La Tinaja Community – Health Clinic

When: 28^th Sept. 2011

Who: Holly, Saul, Chela & Jacqueline -Visitor from Honduras (Cedesa), Laura (Rotary), 104+ adults incl. 11 men,

Purpose of the meeting: usual 4-6wkly meeting of the representatives forming the Consejo for the 18 communities in this región. (there have been more tan 9 events, but this is the 9th I have atended).

The Consejo was formed in Oct. 2010 to work together on common issues affecting the communities in this Consejo, primarily wáter but also other issues, such as dry toilets, roading, backyard production & health issues.

La Tinaja is on the outermost extremity of San Miguel, on the road to GTO.

Pickup truckloads of people arrived from all communities, 3 women had walked for more than 2 hrs from Cinco Senores to be here.

Tarpaulins had been strung to extend the shade structure, & people from La Tinaja arrived carrying as many chairs as they had.

Saul welcomed everyone, thanked them for making the journey here today & handed over to Adela from La Tinaja… She also thanked everyone for coming & welcomed everyone.

Saul said, lets get going & plan today’s agenda, Cata – president of the Consejo is here, but unfortunately Roberto – Secretary could not make it.

Each of the communities was invited to stand, introduce themselves & give a count of attendees:

1. Juan Gonzalez 10 2. Guerrero 4 3. Montecillo de Nieto 3 4. Vivienda de Arriba 6 5. Vivienda Urbana 1 6. Villa de Guadalupe 2 7. Cruz del Palmar 11 8. Cienega 2 9. Capaderillo 6 10. Tierra Blanca 8

11. Corralejo de Abajo 6 12. Los Magueyes 6 13. Cinco Senores 3 14. Presita de Santa Rosa 3 15. Los Torres 8 16. La Tinaja 18 + 2 + 6 17. La Palmita II 1 18. San Lorenzo 3 Total 109

Chela introduced Jacqueline from Honduras she is a co-ordinator of Misereor a global organisation. She is here to know more of work being done here, she was grateful to be able to see what is being achieved on various levels, congratulated the gathering on a grand meeting & encouraged them to continue to keep up the good work & commitment.

Chela introduced the board of the Consejo, some members couldnt make it but had sent representatives in their place.

Chela gave a brief introduction of the history of the consejo & the work Cedesa has been doing in the región. Holly & Laura explained that when they are talking it is for Holly to translate finer points that Laura may have missed in spanish. Chela explained that it is Rotary’s “fault” that Cedesa began working in SMA, they have previously worked in Dolores Hidalgo & surrounds.

3 yrs ago Laura from Rotary approached Cedesa to begin a Project in the first community of Los Torres, “we have been a good team, working on solutions piece by piece & we have come a long way” Saul has been working in same “symphony” with Cedesa & Rotary for almost 1 yr.

Proposal for co-ordinator – Adela (31), Ana (34)

Proposal for record taker – Adela

Call for points for the Agenda:

Cata proposed the following points.

1. Sanitarios Secos update
2. Cisternas update
3. Workshop
4. Information re coalition in defence of the Cuenca de la Independencia
5. Propose an “encuentro” (conference) of Consejo in November
6. General points

Moment of inspiration:

Saul explained he had been tasked to come up with the moment of inspiration & the more he looked the more confused he became, he quoted a phrase about organisation that loosely translates to “now is the time to raise our voice to the govt. Because if we don’t we deserve what we get”

Everyone was asked to add to this –

“if the govt leaves it to us, it’s up to us to make ourselves Heard”

“we need to work together to organise ourselves”

“it’s a question of what we do to deserve things, if we don’t work & are lazy we don’t deserve anything, & we should also know our rights”

Chela asked why we need to raise our voices – “so people can hear us”

“so people are aware of the situation in the campo”

Do we have enough wáter & toilets for example? “no” , then we deserve to not have these things if we don’t raise our voice & work for them.

Saul: Organisation in families, communities & between communities is essential, to organise to achieve solutions to our common problems. One person does not have the voice of 18 communities, for this reason it’s good to work together.

There is planning for 8000 houses near Atotonilco, they are going to need sanitation & wáter, which is not easy for 8000 houses. We need to be more informed of the plans & in this decisión, one comment from the crowd was “this development will not have dry toilets, they are likely to want drainage which will affect our river”

Item 1: Sanitarios Secos (dry toilets)

Cata: We have been working for a long time on this Project, we’re at the point of having resources for some Sanitarios Secos.

We feel we have 1st priority for SS since we have been working so hard for them, even if there are others with more need, it’s not fair if those not working receive them for nothing.

We are receiving $4milliones pesos out of $8milliones originally slated for another community Tambula. The Govt wants to administer the funds, not through Cedesa or Rotary, we would have preferred to receive the $$ for the materials & provide the labour ourselves to extend the funds further, but since this is more than $2milliones the restriction is that a contractor (& bid process) must be followed.

Unfortunately that means the $$ will not stretch so far, as the labour & co-ordinators will have to be paid for out of the $4m… The new design, 2 chambers, has been accepted.

Next week Desarrollo Social will be sending out social workers to verfiy that families on the list do not have any form of toilet currently. Unfortunately this will exclude many on the list that have been working hard for this, for example DIF houses must have flush toilets installed as part of the requirements, even if there is no wáter to flush the toilets. So, these toilets sit there, not functioning but because they exist they exclude the participant from this phase of the dry toilet Project.

We are currently awaiting the result of the “bid” process to see how much 1 dry toilet will cost, to know exactly how many can be built.

We attempted to argue the situation re the bid process, but it is a requirement. “I have a septic tank, but no wáter to uses it, so I don’t qualify – even though it’s a decoration because of the lack of wáter”

“many people on the list no longer qualify, even though they have been working on this for ages, & there will be others that do qualify that havent worked at all, it’s not really fair”

“it is unlikely we will just be able to ‘replace’ people on the list, we will probably just lose our allowance”

Chela- We are working in Phases, this will be the 1st Phase. Our objective will be for all campesino families to obtain a dry toilet, so we will continue to work & do it in phases.

If we do it in less than $2millones phases, we don’t need a “bid” process, but since this one if $4milones bids are needed.

Concha (from Los Torres) “we have been working continuously for 3 years & multiple phases, & often the ones inthe last phase are the ones that work the least or the Young ones who just got a house. It’s a struggle to ensure the ones working are the ones receiving the benefit, in some cases the ones working are not eligible as they have a “toilet” even if it does not function, so we need to make sure it doesnt just go to just anyone that “qualifies” by not having a toilet”.

A list of names was created of the people who will accompany the social workers in each community.

There was a vote as to whether or not to accept the conditions of receiving the $$ (ie the bid process), all voted yes, despite it ultimately no being favourable for all.

Item 2 – Cisterns

Saul gave an update, there is a 108 cistern grant with 95% likelihood, coming from Rotary grant, funded by Chinook RC & District & Alberta Govt & The Rotary Foundation. It will be for

Presita Santa Rosa : 24

La Tinaja 23

3 Esquinas (near Palencia) 23

Cruz del Palmar phase II 38

Laura asked for confirmation that CdP phase II was priority, Tierra Blanca person said “CdP have been working a long time so maybe they should receive the available 38”, the rest of the communities all voted in favour of CdP receiving the phase II cisterns.

Saul also explained that Sapasma have agreed to fund a 2nd Project with us.

This will be for approx 62 cisterns.

So far Guerrero is included for 24 cisterns

& Los Torres phase III for 19 cisterns

Sapasma have 4 solo cisterns they would like to build, therefore 15 available…

Currently looking at Los Magueyes & San Jose de los Allende…

One genteman in the crowd commented “I have been to San Jose de Los Allende, I was working there one time, & they have a really bad wáter situation, they are basically drinking out of puddles”

Item 3 – Workshop

Saul talked about the forthcoming “workshop” – ie working in groups on the backyard production Project. Production of food is going to be crucial this year, since no rains have come & many crops are failing. People will be forced to buy food & the prices will be pushed up since many are having to buy it.

During the workshop we will learn how to grow a vege garden including:

A micro tunnel for Nopal cactus

Natural medicines

& the next workshop will cover:

Conservation of soils & plants to grow for health.

What is your biggest urgency? “wáter” & “food”

It’s a priority to achieve wáter & food, do you guys have maize? “no, because no rain, no beans, no maise no calabassas” “the maize are all drying & dying, we desperately need wáter, so it’s going to be urgent to find food from other sources” “we’ll have to eat nopal”,

Who know’s how to grow nopal in a tunnel? (only a couple) so let’s have a training sesión…

3 people per community can come to Cedesa for the training, these people will be the Train the trainer people, they will be expected to pass on the valuable info they learn. You will need to co-ordinate & contribute for transport costs. Holly is going to try to find money to subsidise the cost of food for the day, & maybe help with a bus.

Who wants training? – they all eagerly raised their hands.

Laura mentioned that it is difficult for Holly to raise money & that participants could contribute at least what they can, eg 10 pesos. After brief discussion this was agreed, they will contribute what they can.

Taller/Workshop will be Saturday 29th October at 10am in Cedesa /leaving Cienegita at 8am

Item 4 Form part of the coalition in defence of the Cuenca de Independencia

Saul asked Audelia to report on what happened in the recent meeting re the Cuenca, held in Juriquilla, this was a follow up sessión of the diploma of wáter studies carried out by Dr Ortega from Unam. It included extras in the latest session, ie those that had joined the Consejo since then.

The subject covered the Aquifer that serves this región including 7 municipalities. Topics included contamination (natural & man-made), agriculture over-use. All attendees reviews info & dicussed issues, including prevention of over-use, pollution etc. The Consejo was described to these 7 municipalities as a good example of how to achieve positive change, it was decided a coalition should be formed to bring together the 7 municipalities, to work together to defend the aquifer.

Saul said the Consejo needed to appoint representatives if they considered this a worthwhile action, hence he is informing them today of the purpose of the coalition & the Consejo can choose to be part of it or not.

Chela asked who remembers what a coalition is – Saul re-explained, it is unión & organisation of people in defence of a common cause – what cause? Wáter, tres, natrual resources, rivers. There were about 10 organisations meeting at Cedesa in Sept. & do you think it is worthwhile to be part of this?all answered “yes”… the only responsibility is to have responsibility.

It is a process we are building Little by Little, we dont need to know how as you are all learning how to be part of this coalition, is everyone in agreement? “yes”

Saturday 22.10.11 10am @ Cedesa – Coalition in defence of the Cuenca

Previous attendees Cata, Roberto & Abraham – Consejo board members.

Item 5 – Consejo reflection, summary

Formed in approx Oct 2010, Saul invited people to evaluate the work & process to date & see if there are people who want to become reps or resign – how is it working, what needs to change?

Cata said it has been a lot of work, hopefully she has done a good job, but she doesnt actually have much time, for example she is here today, but supposed to be working. There have been lots of papers involved, lots of planning, lots of meeting, but they have achieved a lot…

Item 6 General Points

One of the delegados at the meeting said he was interested in forming a committee to ensure delegados do what they are appointed to do. He has begun working on this & asked if the Consejo was in agreement, the general consensus was that it was a good idea.

Chela asked Jacqueline – our visitor from Honduras to sum up, & describe how she found the meeting,

Jacqueline said she was impressed with the respect & harmony with which people participated in the meeting, that organisation is the prime key, & that Chela is doing a great job of demonstrating the benefits of organisation, that organisation costs (time, effort & commitment) but that it’s value for the pain… She invited everyone to keep active.

The meeting closed at 2.50 - & everyone enjoyed a lunch hosted by our host Community La Tinaja…

Beans, rice, tortillas, juice-water,

Then all piled back on the back of pick-ups & crammed into vehicles & made our way back along the dusty road home

Next meeting of Regional Consejo at Juan Gonzalez 26.11.11 at 11am, this will be an aniversary party & a meeting.

Report 3 Guerrero Assembly 21.9.11

Report of 3rd visit to Guerrero,
Where: Guerrero – past Capaderillo, before La Aurora & Don Juan
When: 21.9.11 12.40pm
Who: Saul, Holly (Cedesa), Waldo & Alva (Sapasma) Laura (Rotary), 18 women (2 men), 10kids, 4 dogs

Purpose: To prepare for the water cistern project to be funded by Sapasma, & co-ordinated & administered by the Team (Laura, Saul, Chela & Holly).

Saul was there when we arrived & “passed the list” (called the roll).
Saul asked the assembled group to introduce themselves, each person in turn said their name. He remembered they have been working for more or less 1 year, & that today was a special day as Sapasma is with us & have confirmed they will provide funds for this project.

Holly, Waldo, Alva & I introduced ourselves.

Saul called for a co-ordinator & record taker, he briefly described the function of each role, & emphasised it was important to take good notes, especially of actions that are decided.

Eduviges was appointed Co-ordinator & Irene – record taker.

Holly asked for exception to be able to speak while others were speaking in case she needs to translate for me…I asked for permission to take photos (& they all immediately began giggling & started to “primp” for the camera)

Points for the agenda were called for.
1. Contaminated water/cisterns
2. Sanitarios secos
3. Forming of groups
4. Training pilot.

Saul stated one of the principle objectives of today’s meeting is to determine how united you are in your “mission” & how to achieve/create the plan of work, what’s involved, how etc.

Re item 1. Contaminated Water/Cisterns
Saul “why do you want this project? What are your water issues?”
Antonia – we know the water is very contaminated
Sylvia – as well our well doesn’t have any water, even now at the end of the rainy season
“we also have to carry water a long way from other sources if we don’t have a well”
“often the wells are shared between families, there are as many as 13 families sharing one hand dug well”
“the river was clean & clear, now it’s not, & our wells have fluoride, & rivers are polluted so no choices”


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Salud now has no problem because she has a cistern (she was lucky enough to be part of an earlier project with Capaderillo – neighbouring community).
It’s 2 wks since the pipas (water trucks) have come, when they come they don’t provide much water, 2 tambos (large buckets) per family only, & we haven’t even had that for the last 2 wks.

Saul reiterated that dental fluorosis & the pains in the bones they are having are all symptoms of fluoride contamination. The solution that is most viable & they can be confident in is Cisterns.

Waldo spoke briefly to mention that hearing the issues they are having at present is sad, he is happy they are here today & working to resolve their issues.


Item 2. Sanitarios Secos update – was briefly discussed


Item 3.& 4. Forming of work groups…& pilot training.
Saul said to get this done efficiently let’s talk about the process involved in the construction of cisterns & the general process.

Salud was asked to explain more – since she has already participated in a project, & is now part of the continuing process.

They have decided to do the Pilot training in the primary school & have already confirmed this is ok with the teacher. The kinder has not been constructed yet so it is not an option.
Holly proposed that the date of 17/10 be (tentative) date of the pilot (1st day), it will run for 5 days, & then they will need to be ready to work the following 6 wks to complete all of the cisterns in their groups. By 12/10 we will confirm the pilot date – it is dependent on the money being available from Sapasma in time with the specification of the entire project (including 2 other communities).

Groups were formed…A = abanile, L = leader total 23 family cisterns + 1 pilot = 24 cisterns
Group 1 Group 2 Group 3
1. Irene / Luis A
2. Juana
3. Berancia L
4. Leticia L
5. Salud Juarez
6. Berta
7. Elvia / Mario A
8. Mercedes Alejandra L
Rosamaria
Raquel
Maria Conc. L
Antoninia /Margarito A
Cecilia / Javier A
Julieta Carmen
Marisela
Eduviges / Ignacio A
Maria Zeferina
Felicitas
Antonia
Sylvia L / Federico A
Angelica L

Holly mentioned it is important for each of the groups to make agreements within the group of hours they will work, who will provide food etc, & that it is important that each stage of the cistern is the same for each family, ie that they proceed at the same rate.

There was a discussion about the lack of abaniles, it was pointed out that much of the work can be carried out by the women, (as in other projects) & if an abanile is needed they can group together to contribute to pay for one, Salud described all of the things the women did, & it was essentially a bit of each process…

Saul discussed the roles of – co-ordinator for the whole community Irene & Juana were elected.
& roles of co-ordinator for each group, these were volunteered & appointed.

Tools required on the day(s) of the pilot
Palas, Picos, Mangueras de Nievel, large cutters, cushions for knees, cucharas, escaleras, cubettas etc.

Water required per cistern is 3000 litres, at the school they have access, but at many houses this will be difficult, there are 7 people who have no access to water, one of the men Mario volunteered to help, he will drive water on his pickup truck.
Pilot will start at 8am, & finish depending on how fast they work each day.

Handshakes all round & we (the team) headed off to the next assembly – in Los Magueyes…

Meeting ended at 2.40pm

1st Mtg of the SMA Midday Rotary Los Magueyes Water Project

Where: Los Magueyes community (across from Los Labradores gated community)
When: 21.9.11 3.15pm – 6.35pm
Who: Saul, Holly, Chela – Cedesa, Waldo & Alva – Sapasma, + 28 adults (incl. 6 men)

Purpose: To know more the situation of the Los Magueyes & La Palma communities with regard to water. To determine if they are to be included in the next Sapasma funded Cedesa/Rotary water project.

We all decided to eat first as it was late in the day.

Chela gave a brief introduction re the project history & asked those from Los Magueyes & La Palma to identify themselves, 15 from La Palma raised their hands, & 9 from Los Magueyes raised theres.

Each person in turn introduced themselves & we joked that there were so many “Maria”s, everyone had a good laugh when I introduced myself as Maria too.

Chela described a little about Cedesa, her work for the last 40+ years & the work of Cedesa. She described the history of our work together, ie Rotary & Cedesa since October 2008 & that in May/June 2010 Saul started working with Cedesa after having come to Los Torres during an assembly, as he was doing a temp. job with Desarollo Social at that time, she explained Saul has the sensibility to unite & organize to improve standards of living.

Sapasma have been participating in water projects as a result of the proof of concept provided by the success of the previous projects. They are now working with us to provide resources & learn the process of the water projects.

Chela talked a little on the subject of fluoride & arsenic in this region, & the symptoms/damage it causes to the human body.

She explained we have uncomplicated & good relations with Sapasma & she asked the participants what they know about the projects & why they are here today…
“we don’t have any water, so capturing water is important to us”
“we don’t have potable water & want to learn about capturing water”
“I heard Enrique from Club Rotario, on the radio talking about cisterns, & we always have to pay for petrol to go & collect water from somewhere, I went to see Enrique, we are 7 + 2 families”
“we in La Palma have water so highly chlorinated it’s undrinkable”
“La Palma were invited originally to join in with Los Magueyes as we were told the minimum number for a project was 20 & we are very small – only 9”

Holly asked the history of the 2 communities…
“Los Magueyes families were all from La Palma, 20 years ago we came here, there was nothing here, no electricity, no water etc”
“Los Palma is a ‘bario’ of Rancho Viejo”
“it’s only 600 mtrs from Los Magueyes to the pozo in La Palma, but it is across the highway, so very expensive to pipe the water across”
“La Palma people do not have land or produce food, they all depend on work to buy food”

Chela asked the attendees if they can – from what they know – describe the process…
“attend assemblies”
“have patience re resources”
Chela described the forming of the Consejo (citizen’s council), it was formed to identify issues in common & work together to find solutions, including resources, mutual work commitment, attendance at assemblies & patience. There are many advantages of working together in a Consejo. Organisation is the key to advancing issues. Apparently 3 yrs is the normal amount of time to be working on an issue before achieving a resolution.

It’s a “journey” to lean & grow in general through experiences, talking, working & taking initiative. It’s a way to work together & get to know other communities & be more united in approach to life.

Holly gave an example: Los Torres had a project & inauguration & invited Lucy to come, they decorated, & were all excited & waiting for her to arrive… She didn’t come, in place she sent a representative… Then when the Consejo was formed she has been very responsive & attended almost monthly meetings of the Consejo. She has been very co-operative & supportive & encouraged other departments to be likewise.

“We should continue to meet, there will always be a ‘falling away’ of attendance along the way, but the ones that stay the distance will be the ones to achieve change or objectives.”

“I can imagine there are communities with a much higher need, that are worse off that we are, & for this I imagine we will be lower on the list”

Holly suggested there are other alternatives, if they have to wait, like a ‘tanda’ where people contribute each week & build each cistern as they can, until all are built.

I asked for clarification – if La Palma have water, why do they want to participate in this project?
“because the water is undrinkable, when we turn on the tap, the smell of chlorine is so strong”

Why not tell the water committee person to add less chlorine?
“we did, but we were not at the meeting to vote & so we have no say”
ACTION:
Waldo agreed they will organize a Sapasma rep. to go to La Palma & ensure only the correct dose of chlorine is being added.

So – if the chlorine issue is resolved, will that mean La Palma no longer want a cistern project?
“no, they still want them because sometimes they turn the taps on & no water comes, especially the ones in the upper community”

They are aware this water is only for drinking & cooking. They also know they will be low priority, but that participation changed the priority order, even if the need is high… ie if you don’t participate you lose your spot in the list. Meeting notices are not always advised, (sometimes people can’t get a message the right person) it is important to stay in touch with Saul to keep up to date with when the next meeting is.

INFO, there are approx. 200 families in La Palma.

The meeting finished at 6.35pm, we had a mini tour of the chicken farm, the family sells chicken every Friday.

Next meeting will be Consejo Meeting at La Tinaja on 28.9.11 at 11am

13th Mtg of the SMA Midday Rotary @ Vivienda de Arriba re Dry Toilet project

Where: Vivienda de Arriba – courtyard of church(40 mins from SMA)
When: 14th Sept 2011 1.50pm – 4pm
Who: Holly & Saul, (Cedesa) Laura, (Rotary), + 19 adults (incl. 3 men) & 5 kids

Purpose: A dry toilet was begun by a colleague of Cedesa & has not been completed.
This toilet was to be the first public toilet & first dry toilet of this model in Vivienda de Arriba so it would be ideal to complete the project (including training).

There is an excess of funds from a direct grant project with Tallahassee & Walla Walla Rotary clubs, both of the administrators of these funds have agreed that to complete this toilet would be a worthwhile use of these funds, this assembly is to ensure the community are committed to the project & understand & commit to the ongoing maintenance requirements of a dry (composting) toilet, before the funds are expended to complete it.

Saul began the assembly with an apology for being late, he asked if everyone knew who we are (a resounding yes!), he grilled a specific person about our names & they knew them… all had a good laugh.

The roll was called – of the list of 30 approx 19 were here, some are in SMA some are picking up their kids…

Saul explained that we traditionally appoint a co-ordinator & record taker at the beginning of every meeting, he went on to explain the role briefly, & that it was important for everyone to have the experience & not rely on the same people each time.

Marisella will take the records. Holly proposed Lorena for co-ordinator.
Lorena asked who had points to raise for the agenda:
1. Cisternas (how are they going?)
2. 2nd stage/phase of cistern project
3. Other proposal/solicitud for dry toilets
4. The incomplete dry toilet

1. Cisterns – working very well for those that have them. Some families did not participate in the project.. Lorena “I never have a lack of water, other people have to go to the river, but I don’t I always have my water”. There are some people in the upper part of the community who do not have water, there have been no problems with the cistern water, only people using the river water are having health issues… Holly reminded people that if they are forced to drink river water, they should at least be using the SODIS method of purification, Holly suggested those who know it, could explain it to the non-project participants.
2. 2nd stage/phase II of cistern project – Saul asked if they all knew that a Citizen’s council (Consejo) had been formed as a result of the efforts of all the early water project communities & that this consejo had prioritised the communities to receive water… they have agreed that all communities should have a phase I before Phase II is started. There are apparently a list of another 16 families for Phase II - & we confirmed these were only to be families living in Vivienda (not ones absent & working in the USA). Sporadic water supply has caused people to want to join the 2nd phase, now they have seen how well the cisterns work.
3. Sanitarios Secos – joint solicitud update The consejo has been working on a joint community (18 communities) request for assistance to construct dry toilets. Saul gave an update of where they were up to with Govt. assistance, the municipality has respected their request & granted them funding, there are conditions which are now being worked on.


4. Finishing the partially constructed dry toilet – Saul asked for comments on the history of the dry toilet. Ana said she had talked to everyone involved, & all agreed it would be very useful to have this toilet operational but that no-one has funds to be able to co-operate to do it.
Holly suggested the community put together a proposal stating essentially who, what, where, when, why, how & how much - & that there was a potential for funding from Rotary. It was suggested this be used as a training run to show how to apply for a grant. Holly explained a little more of the process & Filiberto (one of the young guys) seemed to know exactly what she was asking & said he was able to help work on a draft proposal.

We gave a deadline of 28/9 for them to submit their proposal to “Rotary”, I committed to responding with a yes or no, within a week, Holly reminded them to include an amount for training on the ongoing use & maintenance .

PS this will be an excellent location for a demonstration dry toilet, 1.the people of Vivienda de Arriba will have public use of a dry toilet 2. All visitors will have a toilet to use when we attend assemblies & regional assemblies here,

The next meeting which Saul called , for him to assist with the process on 5th Oct at 3pm

Next regional Consejo meeting at La Tinaja on 28 Sept. at 11.30